can t wait to talk to the special counsel. maybe he is frustrated. what do you think. i think this is emblematic how much the white house spends fighting against in president s instincts. and his instincts when it comes to the special counsel is to really just create chaos. he has an incredible appetite for chaos. i think the white house in this instance won out against the president and don mcgahn s threatening to quit prevented this from happening. but i actually agree with one of the earlier panels that i still wouldn t take this off the table. i know the whole story is about how he was going to fire the special counsel mueller but didn t. but i don t think in any which in his mind the president ruled that option out. okay. . so let s talk now, robert. talk about immigration. because here is what here is what they want. okay. on immigration. a pathway to citizenship for 1.8 million people.
know, you go to somebody and say mr. president, or you just can t do that. this is a bad idea. and for donald trump those rules don t always apply. sometimes they do. but he breaks norms. i think that any normal sane republican right now would think don t go there. this is not ending well with donald trump he goes there. well, it seems though if you listen to the conversations we ve had, the last one and the one a couple of minutes ago that it doesn t really seem to matter, michael, to republicans. it doesn t matter. it happened months ago. the president didn t do it. hey won t believe it. they ll think it s some sort of conspiracy by the media. does it really matter? well, i don t think it matters to the president. i think is it matters right about the idea that he breaks norms. but i think one of the ways to think about this is i think the
and most one thing about donald trump in some ways republicans love this i should say. you would go to somebody and say, mr. president, or you know you just can t do that. this is a bad idea. and for donald trump those rules don t always apply. sometimes they do. but he breaks norms. i think that any normal sane republican right now would think don t go there. this is not ending well with donald trump he goes there. well, it seems though if you listen to the conversation the conversations we had the last one and the one a couple minutes ago that it doesn t really seem to matter, michael, to republicans. it doesn t matter. it happened months ago. the president didn t do it. they won t believer it thp they ll think it s a conspiracy by the media. does it really matter? well, i don t think it matters to the president. i think is it matters right about the idea that he breaks
but i actually agree with one of the earlier panels that i still wouldn t take this off the table. i know the whole story is about how he was going to fire the special counsel mueller but didn t. but i don t think in any which way in his mind the president has actually ruled that option out. okay. so let s talk now, robert. let s talk about immigration. because here is what here is what they want. okay. a pathway to citizenship for 1.8 million people. ends extended family migration for new applicants. grandfather, ends the diversity lottery. $25 billion more a border wall and security programs. how much of what the white house laid out do you think that they will get or make into law? well, it s very difficult to tell, because donald trump himself with regard to immigration keeps op changing his mind. i mean, two and a half weeks ago he said he would sign anything with regard to immigration, that everybody came up with. then he has had two since then two bipartisan panels comin