they re not migrants. migrants is someone who chooses to go to another country because they are looking for a better job, education or to reunite thr family. they can choose to go back to their country and know they have the protection of their government. where as refugees are little rattra literally running for their lives. traveling through macedonia and serbia and hungary, often times on foot. trying to reach germany and spe sweden which have more favorable migrant rules. refugees landing on the greek island of lepos, senior correspondent ivan watson is on a boat nearby and he joins me now on the phone with more about the situation there that he s been seeing. ivan, hello.