trace: what do you do with the information now, thomas? do you think it can be used to compel china to further cooperate with us on this investigation? look, i this i the chinese have cast their lot. i don t think we can expect them to cooperate. it is clear they won t. what i really think we need is for u.s. government agencies to begin to cooperate and ask hard questions of our agencies. our own grantees, nih, and what the goal of this research. look, we didn t partner with the soviets in the 70s and 80s. we shouldn t be partnering with the chinese in 2020. it is madness. trace: we talk about the fact it is 2021. this goes back to 2018 and you look at how we talked about the lab leak theory and the early stages of the pandemic and a lot of media and big tech tried to censor that. is there a sense that we lost a lot of valuable time while some