biotechnology. so, you know, here we are. we gave them this advanced biotechnology. they worked on this gain of function research in subpar, substandard environment in their laboratory and it escaped. jesse: so we were using these grants as an excuse to spy on the bioweapons component of these laboratories. that s wow. well, who do you think knows more about what happened? the scientists at the ecohealth alliance who worked with the wuhan lab on bat viruses or this guy? now, a lot of people on the right love that phrases escape from the lab because it sounds like something from a marvel movie or comic book sounds like a man made virus that china was weaponizing that got out of control. jesse: now, i don t want to say anything bad about talking heads. but, i m not going to go with the talking head on this one. i m just going to follow the science, like they told me to do. so we are about to enter a ronna