today say that he was only on a limited number of trips that had to do with international fund-raising. alan dershowitz who has been locked in a court battle over accusations that have been leveled against him and he has helped advise jeffrey epstein. and, of course, the president of the united states, whose quote i read to you before. it does seem likely that we re going to hear more about that. what do you think? i think we re all waiting to see that so many these victims were just abandoned by so many layers of institutions and people, and we really are waiting to see what who else was involved, who else was complicit, who else facilitated this and who else needs to be held accountable. that is the question that is sort of hanging over these entire proceedings. mindy marquez gonzalez and carol lam, thank you both. thank you. joining me now for more on acosta s connection to all of this, senator tim kaine,
path forward to get that question on the census. what we do know is that quite tellingly and really ominously the legal team at doj that has been representing this case has been completely replaced with a brand-new team. many observers think that is because the new case will require directly contradicting what the old case, the old team already stated. having lost multiple times for lying to the court, it now sure looks like they re about to take another run at it by lying to the court. i want to bring in vanita gupta, former head of the justice department civil rights division and now president and ceo of the leadership conference on civil and human rights. let s start with just the matter of the deadline, vanita. i mean, you can cite chapter and verse, times the solicitor general of the united states, the department of justice lawyers have signed documents saying june 30th is the hard deadline. we can t go past it.
came to a contrary conclusion and said, oh, no, we can still do it anyway. and the real problem here and why these lawyers are leaving and all that, has to do with the fact that the government s top lawyer, the solicitor general of the united states, the position i held in the obama administration, has gone to the supreme court five different times. in january, said we have to have this all decided by june 30th. in an extraordinary request said we want to skip the court of appeals supreme court. we need you to decide this by june 30th. even 11 days ago the solicitor general told the supreme court that and said there was no appropriations money past june 30th. now all of a sudden it s july 8 and president trump wants to do something else. if he can do this, then when will the trump administration ever have any credibility whatsoever in the supreme court? just on that point and i ll let you continue. the point you re making is when lawyers go to the supreme court on behalf of the unite
barr has the ability to stop at least the southern district investigation, he cannot stop the state, and he cannot stop a co ordinant branch of government congress. those investigations will continue. and indeed must continue because mueller s mandate was so limited. just focusing on russia, not the broader set of questions. neil katyal, former acting solicitor general of the united states. it s a pleasure to have you here tonight. thank you. thank you. i want to thank everybody for being with us tonight. we will see you again the next time something like this happens, which could be any minute. i will say, this is an historic this is an historic landmark moment in the mueller investigation. at this point, what now will happen is a whole new fight and a whole new waiting game in terms of figuring out what exactly mueller determined. to have the investigation come to a close, to have their be a document produced that says what
different people because he s always tried to stay in his line. so there s now a new lane about campaign finance. that s the southern district investigation. there s stuff about the trump organization. and that s handling via state prosecutors. and there s all these different investigations going on in congress. barr has the ability to stop at least the southern district investigation. but he cannot stop the state and he cannot stop a coordinate branch of government, congress. and so those investigations will continue and indeed must continue because mueller s mandate was so limited. just focusing on russia, not on the broader set of questions. neal katyal, former acting solicitor general of the united states. neal, it s an honor to have you in the nbc and msnbc family and a real pleasure to have you here tonight. thank you. thank you. all right. i want to thank everybody for being with us tonight. we will see you again the next time something like this happens, which could be an