which builds the soil structure. so the whole structure collapses in on itself. the soil becomes waterlogged and airless and it can actually inhibit plant growth. which is precisely why, within the world of agriculture, more and more farmers across the world are turning to more, quote unquote, sustainable, regenerative forms of agriculture. what you appear to take no account of is the degree to which farmers are changing. so, my whole book is about the degree to which they are not changing. it is one long account, really, and. well, it s an account simply of the negative. no, no, that s so untrue. i don t know if you ve read it, but the entire last two thirds of the book is about what we can do, and much of that involves the extraordinary things which some farmers are doing. well, with respect, much of it involves taking food production away from the land and from farmers and putting it into factories.