beautiful. sexy. and is as good a person as i have ever known. so the story is just false. people have got to know whether or not their president s a crook. well, i m not a crook. ing you. martha: there is a trip down memory lane, right? what did you see in there, chris? one of the things that makes politicians so good at lying is that very often they are able to convince themselves that what they re saying is actually true. you see you know, it s not a coincidence that a lot of leaders are fairly high on the sociopathy scale. i m sure richard nixon believed he was not a crook. when he said it convincingly, he was lying but not in his mind. we definitely see that now. we have seen that with hillary clinton. we have seen that with donald trump. when untruths are told, it s harder to detect them. when the person is fully convinced, completely convinced that what they are say something really true. so that makes it harder. those are the best liars. martha: it sure does.