campaign denied everything. we don t know anything about the payment. affair never happened. well it turns out that in a conversation taped during the campaign, michael cohn and donald trump discussed possible payments. now, matt, let s back this up. who taped this conversation? because this is not the fbi. correct. michael cohn, the sel self-described fixer, who, for years and years has put donald trump and his well-being first, is the one who taped the conversation with trump? yes. so cohn was like this attack dog, pit bull that trump used to sick on his adversaries and journalists, and he frequently taped his conversations with his adversaries. and that was to donald trump s benefit, because it gave cohn leverage and now it appears that very practice has now
obligation. you have to ask michael cohen. michael is my attorney. you ll have to ask mike. do you know where he got the money to make that payment. no, i don t know. well, the president later ignored a question whether he ever set up a fund from which michael cohen to draw money from. cohn used his trump organization e-mail wa while arranging that hush money payment just days before the 2016 election in october of 2016. anyway, daniels has offered to give back the money she was paid in order to speak freely about the alleged relationship with trump. the white house denied that the president had an affair with the adult film actor. daniels is now suing the president and his lawyer to void the nondisclosure agreement. michael avenatti told ari melber the president s comments strengthened his client s case. let s watch. we waited patiently and lo and behold christmas has arrived. the president s comments on air force one are serious for him.
at trump organization deals with russia, georgia, the ukraine, kazakhstan and he wants to look at specifically michael cohen s involvement. what does stormy daniels have anything to do with this? the reason why trump and do you feel that chill? that is donald trump leaving michael cohen out in the cold. donald trump is denying any knowledge or involvement in this stormy daniels deal because he does not want to be a co-conspirator with michael cohen for any fec campaign finance violations or anything else that could have to do with michael cohen. but the problem for donald trump is this. even though presumptively there is a privilege that exists usually between an attorney and a client that would protect communications, correspondence, et cetera, at this point in time, a crime fraud exception applies meaning if mueller calls in michael cohen and asks him to talk about certain communications had he with donald trump and because there is this crime flaud exception, cohn may be forced to h
the daniels case, might be in the position to be flipped and cooperate with mueller. mueller s people are stopping oligarchs at the border, and grabbing them. they re saying let s see your computer, can your laptop. they start going through it. this is aggressive stuff. the element of surprise is quite helpful to their advantaging in this instance. i agree that mr. cohn is not only in the middle of it, but we see with stormy daniels he s either violating his ethics rules with respect to his lawyer org he s not telling it tus the truth. one way or the other, he s covering. > jumping ahead to the next segment of this program, since i ve got you here, the fact that he signs the president up for a nondisclosure agreement using his signature at least david dennison, his aka without now trump says he didn t know anything about it? one of them is not telling it the truth. the president s not telling it the truth. or they re both not telling it the truth. can a lawyer sign somebody up
disclose communications. that is the worst case scenario for donald trump. it s already happening. and he s not going to be able to stop robert mueller. in other words, if the attorney in the case is a target himself of the investigation? so cohn s a target. yeah, basically so have you there privilege an attorney/client privilege. but if there is the assistance of a crime, you cannot hide behind the privilege as the lawyer or the client. and so as a result of that, there s going to be a serious problem for mike cohn. that s exactly the reason why trump is basically denying anything and saying you just need to talk to michael cohen about this. let me get to the intermediate question which is what mike it will avenatti just said on tape. if there was an nda, the obvious purpose is she will not talk about what he and she did together. now. sure. according to the argument michael avenatti made it s two ways. a nondisclosure agreement binds both parties tore silence. so therefore,