you don t want to hire giuliani or cohen as your lawyer. we re learning that clearly. he paid supposedly he had a deal to rig some software to inflate the figures on the drudge report and msnbc polls to show that trump was a viable candidate for the president and showed fa eed fake support. it didn t work. he paid the guy about $10,000 and put the rest in his pocket. giuliani saying you can t believe him. it s deeper than that. the significance is he said cohen said i did this at the direction of the president. and that s the theme we re going to be seeing for the next few months. people doing things at the direction of the president which goes back to what you said, fred, that is the head ceo of the company, he knows everything that s going on. so avery, polls are tools, you know, of elections and so why would that not be considered, you know, interfering with the election or at least attempting? i actually agree.
collusion. all of a sudden, well, maybe there was collusion between some people. so was that a slipup or calculated? no, no, that was calculated. i know the government has information that is very damaging on one of my witnesses. i have that witness on direct examination. imgoi i m going to bring it out first, soften the blow to the jury. there must be damaging information that s going to come to fruition very soon that s going to make trump look very, very bad on this collusion which, by the way, is conspiracy. it s going to come out. so giuliani is trying to soften the blow so that when it comes out, they can say, well, trump didn t know about it, even if there was conspiracy with the russians. avery, why would that potentially soften the blow if that was his strategy? the president really is kind of the ceo. he s always said he is in charge. exactly. and being in charge that s right. but the problem is if you juxtapose giuliani s statement
attention. while we know that the chief of staff, john kelly, talked to the mueller team, we ve learned this, as a result of, you know, the sentencing filings, we re also now hearing from the president of the united states, just about ten minutes ago that john kelly is on his way out. so avery, what does this signal to you? it signals a lot. we have several things. one of the things that strikes you about the memoranda that we saw yesterday in federal court, and the remark, come mation that john kelly is on his way out, is that the redactions tell us there is a lot more. kelly is going to be part of what we don t know. so at the end of the line, while a lot of people are thinking this is the end of the mueller investigation, in my opinion, john kelly has a lot to say, the redactions have a lot to say. i believe that the mueller investigation is far from over, and john kelly will actually be
a farce. it is a complete farce. mueller should just throw a subpoena on him. the president will ignore it. it will be a constitutional crisis. it will go to the supreme court. and kavanaugh will get the swing vote to protect the president. that s how it is going to play out. oh, no. this is a farce right now, fred. my clients would love to respond to limited questions, limited areas, when they re being federally criminally investigated for conspiracy. it is absurd, fred. the whole process is completely absurd. so avery, could a subpoena still come, say, you know, the special counsel doesn t necessarily yes. value the responses, the written responses so could they say this is not enough and we are going to go ahead and subpoena the president? oh, yes, robert mueller has the power to issue a subpoena, and where i agree is that a subpoena would generate a constitutional crisis, taking the case all the way to the supreme court. mueller understands that. the president under
videotape, it wouldn t have mattered. all because of this, get your pen out, tribalism. this is what controls politics today. behavior and attitudes that stem from strong loyalty to one s own tribe or social group with strong negative feelings for people outside the group. that s it, fred. he s in. there s nothing that s going to change that. no fbi investigation. and the three votes, those republicans, flake, murkowski and collins, they re absolutely going to vote for kavanaugh, 100%. so avery, during the clarence thomas and anita hill, the three-day fbi investigation, this one, a week, is it your opinion that it just won t be able to produce enough information, perhaps some corroborati corroboration, but not enough information, that would constitute a thorough investigation? no, i think they can do it. look, you had 21 witnesses in