we are back with the second hour of cr chris jansing report reports live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. at this hour, breaking news, we are waiting for a pentagon briefing expected any moment as we learn new details about exactly who might be behind the leak of classified u.s. intelligence documents of government secrets online. plus, in the hot seat, former president donald trump s deposition in a high stakes civil lawsuit here in new york what it could mean for the fate of the family business and days of flames, the fire at an indiana plastics recycling plant, pumping toxic black clouds into the richmond skies for a third straight day the danger and how the community is responding. plus, a 50-year flood event. we re live from fort lauderdale, florida, where officials just issued an emergency declaration after that massive rainfall. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, let s start with that breaking news officials have identified a
the defense department there is already a team at the pentagon trying to gauge and evaluate the damage that s been done, the scope of this breach, and arguably, this is the worst security breach for nearly a decade since the snowden case. i think the one thing that seems to be very damaging if you speak to former intelligence officials is that these documents repeatedly refer to information gathered from electronic eves dropping, from signals intelligence that s really the coin of the realm for the u.s. intelligence machine, and it is very sensitive, and very valuable, and having that exposed gives your adversaries the ability to cut off some of that, change their procedures and tactics and that stream of intelligence is now jeopardized, but that is very serious and that damage is done there will be relief that
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they find that that information is made public and could undermine their respective source of s and methods. i assume you ve heard that as well? that s exactly right. as you probably know, wolf, we do an immense amount of intelligence sharing with our allies. they re known as the five is. great britain, australia, other countries that we just plain trust. and you know, they ve already been pretty badly beaten up, because let s talk very briefly about some other episodes in which american secrets were blown. the snowden case. the snowden case, snowden goes out there and sort of discloses all sorts of sources and methods. two things happen. the bad guys change their ways of operating. so edward snowden s releases changed very bad people s way of operating, in ways that make it hard for us to know what they re doing. and secondarily, of course, our allies who share information now say, you really can t trust the united states. now, look, edward snowden, it s
the government in a position to protect this information? now, i understand, carrie, if someone walks out the door with information, and we can t figure out who we can, you know, expect to, you know, keep in confidence and who we can t, but when someone from outside the government is able to hack information inside of the government, that s a real problem? it is. each of these cases represents a different type of problem. judge jeanine: right. so if you look at the 2010 manning case, the 2013 snowden case, and according to at least most recent reports today even in the wall street journal regarding the latest cia case, these are potentially insider threat cases. in other words, individuals who have access and who are trusted individuals, in some cases government contractors, who steal that information and facilitate through wikileaks, in this case and in the 2010 case, their public exposure. judge jeanine: well, you know,