the only way to do that is to talk to the central figure in this story. that s jerry sandusky. and when there is corroborating evidence, which there is for much of what jerry says with regard to penn state and joe paterno s lack of culpability, i will use that to try to make the case it was a rush to judgment. let s look at this apparent evidence. you don t remember snapping towels yourself, do you? i m not actually sure. i would have been more inclined to do slap boxing or something like that. i m not sure. he always, no matter what we did, he d always get the last lick in, the last smack. and then i would chase him and i ran him into a wall in the shower area, where we were showering in and that was it.
evidence, which there is for much of what jerry says with regard to penn state and joe paterno s lack of culpability, i will use that to try to make the case it was a rush to judgment. let s look at this apparent evidence. you don t remember snapping towels yourself, do you? i m not actually sure. i would have been more inclined to do slap boxing or something like that. i m not sure. he always, no matter what we did, he d always get the last lick in, the last smack. and then i would chase him and i ran him into a wall in the shower area, where we were showering in and that was it. i never saw mike mcqueary. i don t know whether the young man saw him. i don t know. you re sure you never saw mike mcqueary? i am sure.
that s jerry sandusky. and when there is corroborating evidence, which there is for much of what jerry says with regard to penn state and joe paterno s lack of culpability, i will use that to try to make the case it was a rush to judgment. let s look at this apparent evidence. you don t remember snapping towels yourself, do you? i m not actually sure. i would have been more inclined to do slap boxing or something like that. i m not sure. he always, no matter what we did, he d always get the last lick in, the last smack. and then i would chase him and i ran him into a wall in the shower area, where we were showering in and that was it. i never saw mike mcqueary. i don t know whether the young man saw him. i don t know.
claims he help jerry sandusky. following the scandal, spanier and his attorney are opening up. spanier exclusively spoke to abc s josh elliott. reporter: do you feel like you failed those kids? i wish in hindsight that i would have known more about jerry sandusky and his terrible, terrible hidden past so that i could have intervened because it would have been my instinct to do so. reporter: spanier acknowledges that in february of 2001, he was told a penn state staffer had seen jerry sandusky in the locker room with a boy, engaging in what spanier says was described as horse play. he claims he was never told, the horseplay was at all sexual in nature. when you hear horseplay, what what do you think it is? i guess i was thinking back to my own childhood where horseplay involved throwing water around, snapping towels, i
assaulting a boy in the penn state showers. join meganow nbc s bob costas. thank you very much for joining me tonight. thank you, lawrence. bob, what is the version of that shower scene that sandusky gives and how is it different from what we understand to be the mcqueary version? it is massively different. he says he and the young boy were horsing around, snapping towels. that the boy turned on all of the shower heads and was sliding around the shower floor, as if it was some kind of waterslide but that nothing even remotely resembling a rape, and that s what mcqueary says he saw. he saw a forcible rape, not horsing around, not inappropriate touching. in the grand jury report, he says he witnessed a rape. and sandusky flatly denies that and when asked what motive mcqueary would have to possibly fabricate such a horrific thing, his answer is you would have to