the government of israel, and we expect them to make that clear as well. joining us now is tom friedman, pulitzer prize-winning foreign affairs columnist for the new york times. he s the author of from beirut to jerusalem, and many other books. tom friedman, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i want to agree begin with your reaction to what we heard from the state department and what is the most striking public conflict the state department has had with israel so far. yeah, lawrence. it s good to be with you all the way from new zealand, in fact. you know, i don t think this is a lasting problem. i think these statements by smotrich and ben-gvir are representative of a far-right faction in netanyahu s government. his own government, netanyahu himself, has disassociated himself from that view. these guys and this government is capable of many crazy things.
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gaza free from both hamas and idf control, that is not what you hear from israel s leaders. ben gavir told his party this week that the war is an opportunity to develop a project to encourage gaza s residents to integrate to countries around the world. what critics call ethnic cleansing. his response was to say israel is not another star in the american flag, and he reiterated his desire for the migration of hundreds of thousands from gaza. a biden administration official said to me, at some point, netanyahu is going to have to choose between governing in a way that pleases ben gavir and smotrich or governing in a way that pleases joe biden and the biden administration. though it is possible, of course, that netanyahu has already chosen. let s bring in beth sander,
hamas, ben gavir, who until recently had a portrait in his living room of a murderous jewish terrorist, he s been making life even more difficult for arab and muslim citizens of israel, handing out guns to jewish citizen militias. smotrich has broad pours over civilian issues in the west bank where more than 300 palestinians have been killed in clashes with israelis. many of them extremist settlers, just since october 7th. after netanyahu formed his government just over a year ago, i asked him about these two extremists in his government. fascist, insisting that same-sex marriage is incest, that he tried to stage an event when the gaza pullout was going on, and he was saying that he was
putting out these horrible conspiracy theorys about the shingbat and the assassination of rabin. these seem like rather extreme individuals. a lot of people say a lot of things when they re not in power and temper themselves when they get into power. that s certainly the case here. perhaps that was wishful thinking, because neither of the two has tempered themselves at all. critics accuse both of tom fomenting violence, and matters are getting worse with west bank security officials not even being paid because of clearance revenues, the import and export taxes the israeli government collects for the palestinian authority and give to the palestinian authority, and the p.a., the palestinian authority s budget relies on this money. smotrich has now refused to release these funds, quoting the
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