with lawrence o donnell. good evening, lawrence. good evening, rachel. so, norm may. norm may. norm may. prime minister of norm may appeared unfazed. so norm may there should be a norm may, though. when you think of the country names in the world, it s nambia, smeden. what s wrong with norm may? norm macdonald should be the prime minister of norm may or something such. cheers! thank you, rachel. thank you, lawrence. well, the president seemed to move us one step closer to a constitutional crisis today simply by saying we ll see what happens. we ll see what happens is an okay answer to some questions. but it is a very, very bad answer to other questions. are you here to rob this bank? we ll see what happens. that is not a good answer. and it is a terrible answer to