didn t restrain spending on the domestic accounts when they were increasing spending that they had to do after 9/11. that s right. paul: so, you end up with both parties contributing to this. though the key figure i think is really interesting is the individual payment. the percentage of outlay that go to individuals. that was 28% in 1965, it s almost 2 of every $3. 66% now, which is an amazing figure. that means that s not spending on defense, that s not spending on roads. james, is that sustainable? no, it s not. and or actually the trillion and a half dollar dits we ve been running, worse than they look, less sustainable. we ve been borrowing our money, we, the united states on short-term basis at very low rates, unlike perhaps a smart home owner who likes to lock in a low rate for 30 years, a lot of our borrowing is over the next year, two, three, five years, so if the interest rates rise, this burden is going to become even