but the fact of the matter is, i think he could have done much better had he dispensed with all the smirking and the facial things that he was doing during that debate. brian: angela, it seemed like the chairman ryan had almost like a sly smile on. did that hurt him? no, it didn t hurt him. i wish he would have had more time to explain himself. the moderator was not fair to him. in the beginning, she wasn t. for biden, he was the attack dog. if it was his purpose to energize the democratic base, he did do that last night, but joe, you guys should be worried that less than four weeks before the election, you re utilizing your vp of your party to energize your base. this was to get independents. it s going to be independents that s going to decide who our next president is. i don t think that biden did that last night. i believe that undecided voters are still undecided. angela, i don t think that s right. i don t think they re going after independents. i think they were going afte