firing missiles at syria you couldn t get the u.s. congress to agree it was time to act. martha: i think one of the issues some of these critics have is the lack of being a voice for the democratic forces on the ground. we saw the same hinge in iran. saw same thing in syria. there is nothing wrong and no military commitment standing up saying look, this is what the united states stands for. we re a beacon in the world for democracy. we stand up for people who are rebelling against tyrannical leadership in their countries, juan. i think we do. i think it has been very clear. but i think secretary kerry said this. i think president obama said we stand with the ukrainian protesters. i think it has been an effort, even the defense secretary chuck hague gell who has tried to reach the military to martha: they haven t answered his call. correct. just about to say that to you, martha. it is not a matter of the united states not standing with the protesters. clearly standing with people
we speak. the russians obviously have backed the ukraine regime. what are they saying about these developments? reporter: it s interesting, martha, because yes, everyone has basically acknowledged that russia is the most important player in these negotiations. while the european diplomats have been tweeting and talking and describing what s gone on, it s been mum in moscow. they do have an envoy there. not clear what role he has played. certainly the scenes of violence that we ve seen in the last few days and the brawls in the parliament are not the picture of the ukraine that they want to see. now, i did hear an interview today with the russian ambassador to the european union and he like other officials who have been quoted over the last few days are calling this protest movement and attempted coup even when the question is put directly to the russians, how can you call it a coup when the majority of people being killed are protesters at the hands of police. they don t seem to se
and why homeland security is so concerned about it. what we re now learning about the link to the same al qaeda group behind other attempts to take down american jetliners. martha: and a harrowing scene on an expressway. look at these pictures. a woman screaming for help as a baby turns blue and is not breathing. the reporter who ran through traffic to find a policeman nearby. the amazing effort to save this baby s life. wait until you see and hear details in this story. it is incredible. is the white house really doing enough to end the escalating crisis in ukraine? why the president s critics are saying the threatening consequences may be too little too late. we ll have a fair and balanced debate coming up. the president says there will be consequences for a oppressive actions in ukraine but does anybody take that threat seriously? the new guy is loaded with prote!
demonstrably untrue. this is a demonstrably untrue statement that the president persists in making, he persists in making whether he s talking to bill o reilly or whether he s talking to the governors association. it doesn t matter, the president is sticking with this. i don t know whether he thinks eventually it will be proven true or whether he thinks that if he repeats it often enough, people will believe it. martha: what i don t get, chris, you know, it s not that kind of thing. people are having their own experience with this situation, right? exactly. martha: they could say, well, no, but i ve lost my health care, or i m not getting covered, and i went to the doctor, and they said no to this hospital. to think you can keep saying it and make it so is going to be very difficult when you re dealing with people s real-life experiences. maybe there s a corollary, we can call it the maccallum corollary to what ronald reagan said is a recession is when your neighbor loses his job,
being cold war chess pieces, there are a lot of people who believe vladmir putin believes it is exactly that and he would like to put those pieces very much back together under the arms of mother russia and that part of what his agenda is here. are we being naive in recognizing that? i think everybody recognizes that, martha. i think everybody understands these olympics are taking place to the excessive money spent is an effort by putin to try to resurrect the soviet union and image of soviet power. and if you look at him sticking his finger in the world s eye, not just our eye, in syria, in terms of dealings with iran, he sees what is taking place in the ukraine as part of that larger geopolitical picture where he consolidates his power, he keeps things under his control and uses them as leverage in the larger situation. that is what is going on here. martha: yeah, seems to be succeeding in some ways in syria and perhaps he may in ukraine as well. we will see.