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joining nato, if ever, for many years, that is a reasonable response. that s not caving in. that s not showing weakness. right. i suspect he wants more. he sees ukraine as much more important to russia and russia s identity than any other part of the former soviet union. the myth is the slavic federation began there in 188, . this is where the birth of russia took place. if there is a slightly different opinion, read the book on stalin s murdering of 2 million ukrainians. indeed. remember, he murdered a lot of russians too. he did murder a lot of russians. it s all relative. ukrainians, what many ukrainians are looking for, especially in the west, is they do want to move towards europe. a lot of complex issues which we will continue this conversation throughout the show.

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