route. it s always a fight, and it s a battle that is never fully finished. go back to the beginning. thomas jefferson wrote what many believed to be the most important document, civil document in human history. he was a slave holder. we have never lived up to our american ideals. jefferson himself didn t. but what he wrote has pulled us towards justice for more than two centuries, and it still does. it remains this nation s north star. take a look at the klan. klu klux klan. after the civil war, we saw a rise in the klan. it was beaten down only to rise up again in the 20s. in fact, in august of 1925,
ideology and that is white supremacy which we live with today. the other reason he is wrong is did you know that for example, in 1862 the u.s. actually pass add bill that paid slave holders in washington, d.c. repairations for having freed slaves. and each person was given worth the value of $300 which today when i looked it up is about $7,000 per person. that money came from the federal government and paid out to each slave holder. so we have seen moments where repairations were given except it always goes the other direction. cam he ll. we re talk about a kemp rather context that was 150 odd years ago if we go with mitch mcconnell that there might have been a conversation about repairations. but it s true that more than a century removed from that point
there s a lot more to it. we must have a discussion about race and what better time to have it than during black history month. john said also this being the 400th year since our first ancestors arrived on these stores. if anytime for a conversation, it s now. a full conversation. absolutely. so as a pastor, as a pastor, how do you deal with something like this photo controversy in your sermon? how do you talk about it? john? oh, well, i would say i would say we need to preach the truth about how not only has slave holder practices been part of our systemic history in this country, part of our law, it s also been part of our religion. right? and so until we get over the way that the salvation of the individual soul has been
if we want the protesters to stop we need to have congressional leadership. tammy: the white house, ivanka trump and thewa president have bothed talked about the ned for prison reform or justice reform. that s a discussion. many black leaders and pastors have visited the president in the white house and they get attacked for talking with the president about policy and about moving forward with the issues. if we do have a problem, would you go and meet with the president? to have a problem with black activists and people at least within the black community who are leadership meeting with the president to deal with these issues directly instead of invading a private citizen s wedding? don t you think one would be more productive than the other? absolutely. i agree with you completely. i applaud the pastors for meeting with president trump. i would meet with the present all day any day. frederick douglass met with andrew johnson in 1856, a former slave holder to work out issues. ther
are you accusing this task force of being designed to allow thes things to happen. yes, i think that s the history of the adf if you look at it. more broadly i think this way that religious freedom is being framed is rooted in the history of slave holder religion and the way in the 20th century that it tried to justify discrimination by using this american value of religious freedom. this is what bob jones university did when they tried to keep black students out by saying they were a religious institution that had the right to exclude them. i think we have some problems with jonathan s audio. i want to go to robbie screens. you have some research out from prri and the question that you asked in one of these prri surveys, should business owners be allowed to refuse wedding-related services to same-sex couples if it violates their religious beliefs. 46% said that business owners should be allowed to refuse service and 48% said they should be required to provide them. is that a numbe