he goes down and he is a sure loser. but the point that john made that is important, a state like pennsylvania which i believe we all 2409 was out all thought was out of reach, they have had problems with romney, and all polls show there is no money there, that is a big state. gregg: i am told you are interested in iowa and wisconsin, and now here the nbc polls. obama has substantial lead plus eight in iowa and plus six in wisconsin. pat is laughing. because he has had a consistent problem with this particular polling arrangement with the wall street journal and nbc. there is a ppppolling company that skews lost, and they have a one-point lead. pat: the private data i show