ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. neil: all right, we are at a record shutdown right now, partial or otherwise, never in the history of this country has the government been technically shut down or at least a quarter of it shut down for so long, 22 days and if my last guest were right this could drag on a while , but time and again in this post world war ii phenomenon, it has happened under democratic and republican administrations, so this is a fairly recent phenomenon and we really came to life back in the mid-1990s when bill clinton and newt gingrich were going at it from a historical perspective on this crisis, from the woman who wrote the book on it leadership in turbulent times, very good to have you thanks for coming. thank you, neil. neil: i was thinking of this, in some of the people you write about, including in this book, abraham lincoln but especially
it s adouble down against tax cuts. they are standing in the way of what most americans agree. congressman, stay with us. i want to ask you what you think is the solution to holding onto it leadership in the house and senate come november. i would like to know what the plan is. we ll take a short break and come back with that. is that s steve scalise.
senate intel committee s investigation and the seriousness with which he has allowed them to approach it. he has stayed out. he s kept his language muted. i think the leadership by no question, they know we ought to stop calling it leadership. this is not leadership by any stretch of the imagination. it just isn t. let me just remind us of something. remember at the end of the election, 2016 election, we were worried donald trump was setting it up, setting up the public to delegitimize the election of hillary clinton. in fact, setting it up so not just simply for trump tv but in order to stoke resentment you re right, we were ready for him to not being accept the outcome. not only muddying the legal waters by getting us to pay attention to seven, eight different things, right, he s also delegitimizing this. part of what he s going to say, right, if they indicted this is a witch hunt. the stormtroopers, quote/unquote, are moving in. he is setting this up in a way
now and you were part of it leadership, i think there s a different responsibility. let s bounce the ball the other way. ben, even though the president is consistently buried under his own words, and he is consistently getting crushed in the media for it, the democrats are still losing to him. i know that s going to upset people on the left, and we have a ton of democrats who watch. but just think about your own interest as democrats. they lost on the tax bill. yes, it was a reconciliation vote, but they lost. and the only high ground they had was that he did i had along partisan lines and along socioeconomic lines. but with daca, the whole country, except for rick santorum, wants you to take care of the d.r.e.a.m.ers. even the republicans are 77% in the latest poll. why do they have to give him the exaggerated idea of a wall and the ability to say he s a
leader chuck schumer which is interesting. surprising, frankly. why? my sense is that i can t imagine he was unaware of this strategy that was going on inside his caucus to get al franken out. and that he likely was going to let the rank and file do it. having said that t leadership is leadership. and it means that you are in ha tough position, but sometimes that is what it means to be a leader. and we saw that nancy pelosi, after sort of striking the wrong tone at the beginning with john conyers got it right as the leader in the house. so we ll see what happens. and it might not even be that necessary at the end of the day. lauren, why is this happening today? well, i think that when we were talking to women up on capitol hill, there has been discussions for a while about how to respond to senator franken. i think democrats are in a tough