sisters-in-law podcast. joyce, thanks for being here tonight. i don t have a law degree, but a lot of people do and a lot of them are working for donald trump and also have testified either to federal investigators or in front of the federal grand jury. i want to pull up this graphic we have. i think there are seven trump lawyers by our count who have testified to the grand jury the special counsel s convened or met with the doj investigators on this. that seems like a high number to me, joyce. and do you think those lawyers are emerging as potential liabilities for donald trump? it does seem like an exceptionally high number, alex. and to give a bit of context doj prosecutors are expect today be veriful when they re dealing with someone s lawyers
his sisters in law podcast, and author of the watergate girl. jill, good campaigning of the capital right and up costing trump in court? it should. there is no reason for the government to be spending the money that it spends to bring to justice wrongdoers who then benefit on the other end. we have long had laws that have prohibited criminal defendants from making a fortune on their wrongdoing, and it goes back a very long way. and i think that it would be very smart to start fining people for court costs that have been incurred as a result of the need to prosecute them. and there s no reason why donald trump would not be part of that. jill, oath keepers founder rhodes sentenced to 18 years for helping plan the insurrection. when you step back and look at the charges against roads, how much overlap do you see with potential charges for former president trump? it is a very good sign,
of documents. in just the past 24 hours the new york times and the washington post both report the special counsel had subpoenaed records from trump s businesses going back as far as 2017 as part of that same mar-a-lago investigation. and now the special counsel s investigators appear to be ready to reach a conclusion. the wall street journal reports today that jack smith is wrapping up the mar-a-lago investigation. which means we could we could know any day now whether the former president of the united states will face yet another criminal indictment. joining us now is devlin barrett, reporter covering the fbi and doj for the washington post. also with us is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and co-host of the sisters-in-law podcast. devlin, let me first start with you and your reporting and the
we call barb mcquaid, co-host of the sisters-in-law podcast. barb, it s really great to see you. thanks for joining us on such short notice tonight. you bet. glad to be with you, rachel. if you can explain what you see as significant, if anything, about this news of the federal subpoena. prosecutors looking into trump s possible foreign business dealings dating back to when he took office in 2017. what does that say to you? well, it is both a fairly routine move but also one with potentially explosive consequences, i think. whenever you re investigating a white collar case, you want to follow the money. it is what deep throat told woodward and bernstein to do. you might find interesting motives, et cetera. in this case when prosecutors are trying to decide whether to file charges, they re looking for aggravating factors like obstruction of justice. another one is disloyalty to the
sensitive government materials with him upon leaving the white house, and then not fully complying with the demands for their return. when disparate breaking news stories like that break within moments of each other right before be get on the air we call barb mcquade, co-host of the sisters-in-law podcast. barb, it s really great to see you. thanks for joining us on such short notice tonight. you bet. glad to be with you, rachel. if you can explain what you see as significant, if anything, about this news of the federal subpoena. prosecutors looking into trump s possible foreign business dealings dating back to when he took office in 2017. what does that say to you? well, it is both a fairly routine move but also one with potentially explosive consequences, i think.