the names most commonly on that list include senators like mitt romney of utah, he sioux murkowski of alaska, and susan collins of maine. if they could get those people together, they could get the rules they needed. joins us is former north dakota senator byron dorgan. senator dorgan, good to have you with us. thank you, ali. do you think those senators i just named, three republican senators, could be persuaded to push for witnesses and convince mitch mcconnell to allow that? nobody s asking them to vote for the impeachment of donald trump. this is just about how that trial would go. well, i hope that they would consider that. i think mitch mcconnell believes that he has his entire caucus with him, and yet i cannot believe that that entire republican caucus in the senate doesn t take a look at what this president did with respect to the ukraine call and other