exception and allow jared to see particular information that might be critical to that particular meeting or set of meetings. but you re right that he has been a critical voice on what are some of the most important foreign policy object if ives f the country and for those purposes you want people to have access to as much information as possible. information about the context. information about the individuals you ll be dealing with. and information about the negotiations that are under way in each of those contexts. especially when you re talking about secretive societies or those with whom we re playing high-stakes poker like the chinese, you certainly want lead negotiators or key interlocutors to having a ske ing access to t best information the u.s. government has available. and right now given this downgra downgrade, it appears jared won t have access to that. let me put you on the spot, juan zarate, should jared kushner ever have had access to
digging at kushner. there is a very, very hot war going on with the jared and ivanka surrogates disparaging the kelly wing of the white house, throwing all of the rob porter scandal at the feet of john kelly, his deputy joe hagan, my former white house colleague. so there s plenty i mean, i guess, juan zarate, this place is still a snake pit. do you hear anything different? thanks, nicolle. no, i mean, you and i have friends who work inside there, and obviously they re doing their best. i think, you know, what you have is obviously the external pressure and the gaze of the media, you know, and the probe of the investigators pushing on what is still an administration that s relatively kind of in formation, still has fractures and we re seeing evidence of that. and so the pressure s still there. we ve had friends leave, as you know, and we ve had friends do they leave or do they sort of, like, crawl out bloody? those sticking with it yeah, well, the folks who are
was a candidate. i got an e-mail, hi, i m hope hicks. she s been there the entire way. like, when he landed that helicopter at the iowa state fair, she was the first one off. she s been there every step of the ware and it would be fascinating to know what she knows about went on. she s also not made a lot of public missteps. the controversy that surrounds her now around her recommendations, her participation in the response to the rob porter scandal, something you and i talked about on the air, but what she was involved in, and, again, whether she wittingly or unwittingly told corallo no one will find out, whether she knowingly passed along information from russians. i mean, you have to assume that bob mueller has a whole lot of e-mails, a whole lot of texts. right. whole lot of phone records. he knows if she passed along messages or tips from russians, the kinds of russians that were inside trump tower on the day that donald trump was there, bob mueller is going to get his
point, if it s clear that an individual s not going to be able to get that clearance, of course, then you don t want them to have access to sensitive information, but what i m trying to say is at the start, you want american officials, and he is an american official on behalf of the white house and the president, you want them to be well informed and well armed with as much information as possible. he now doesn t have that at his command, and that will now weigh on what his responsibilities are and how the president deploys him zb him. so, jonathan, if john kelly was trying to make the case that the family is making a mess of the white house, he had ivanka trump saying that she wouldn t answer a question about whether or not donald trump s more than i think he has 19 credible accusers who ve accused him of sexual misconduct, she wouldn t weigh in on whether or not they were telling the truth after having no problem of weighing in on roy moore s accusers, no problem weighing in on o