investigation into the fast and furious gun running operation. tonight, the mother and cousin of slain border patrol agent brian terry, the man you see right there, who was killed in connection with the gun running operation, they are speaking out on this program. speaking out for the first time since the indictments were unsealed on monday, charging five people in the shootout that resulted in the death of agent terry. the shootout, which happened in december of 2010. now, two guns were found at the scene of terry s murder. guns that months earlier, the u.s. government allegedly knew and allowed to be bought by known criminals. four of the five men charged in agent terry s murder are still at large, presumably in mexico. we have pictures of three of them. federal authorities are offering up to $1 million for information leading up to their arrest. again, brian terry s mother and cousin join us exclusively in just a moment. but first, keeping them honest. there s question abo
speak any moment. now his first live remark on the supreme court decision. as you well know, the supreme court is going down to the wire with its decision on the president s health care law. it is expected to rule thursday, that is the last day of the term. by the way, the new york times writes washington is tense with anticipation, saying, quote, the impending health care ruling by the supreme court has become this city s o.j. simpson verdict, crossed with a papal conclave polarizing maddeningly unprecedented and shrouded in mysterious signaling. what a description. let s go to our panel now. joan walsh back with us. how would you describe the anticipation, is it as the times puts, if this weren t so serious i would laugh, compared to the o.j. simpson verdict? well, i think that no one wanted to be taken by surprise and some people were taken by surprise by the o.j. simpson
including her own father, the character of scout that leads the story. that corresponds to her up in the colored balcony at the courthouse back when her father used to be a trial lawyer, and he had a couple of unsuccessful cases of trying to save the lives of black defendants who are innocent and he stopped practicing trial law after that. there are so many layers to this story, but michael is right, this really depicts a narrative that haunts america s memory. and throughout american history, you can see books like this. uncle tom s cabin is the perfect example of one that really struck white leaders at the time. it was the biggest best seller of that era. it helped lead to the civil war, according to abraham lincoln. you see this kind of story recurring, and it s also what made the o.j. simpson verdict so shocking, because in the eyes of many people, certainly white americans, this was the reverse side of that narrative, you know.
you see this kind of story recurring, and it s also what made the o.j. simpson verdict so shocking, because in the eyes of many verdict so shocking, because this was the reversal side of that narrative. it turned it on it s head. white folks were alarmed that a possible double murder got off. here is a scene where bob, the father of the young woman, that he is not willing to play by the town s unspoken rules. let s watch. captain, somebody told me just now that they thought that you believed tom robinson s story. you know, i said i said you re dead wrong, man. he is not taking his side. well he was wrong
i think it would be very difficult to sustain a murder charge, no matter what really happened in that incident. the other thing that s propp problematic is the longer this goes on, the more the trial gets tried in the court of public opinion. we saw what happened after the o.j. simpson verdict and what happened with the riots in l.a. so you just don t want that to happen. that s mitigated if you have an investigation that the public has confidence in. that s not what we have right now. is there any way to avoid this seeming sort of churning of the legal process right now that it goes on and on and on before we get some sort of an answer? i don t think there is. i don t think you can speed it up. the justice department is looking at the case but that s a long procedure. if the federal government were to intervene, it would be essentially a civil rights case.