guilty verdicts. martha: yeah, it s a great point. they took their time. as the days ticked by and we reminded viewers that the o.j. simpson jury came back in four hours, you look at the charges and obviously the judge said it as well, it was a very thoughtful jury that sat for this trial. understood, as you point out, the burden on them with regard to the weight of this case and the way that and all that it carried with it outside of what they needed to decide. you know, there was a lot of discussion about the alternates being picked out of that out of the till to be discarded or to have to stand by and not be part of the decision making in this. mark richards, the defense attorney, said, you know, kyle pulled them out but we lost a couple of jurors, three jurors that he wanted to be in it based
end of the counts, kyle rittenhouse s jaw just starts shaking. he s hopeful and realizing that perhaps he has gotten not guilty verdicts on all of these. incredibly dramatic to watch. thanks, andy and bob. we re waiting for live events as they come throughout the hour as well. i want to bring in my next guest. she s a veteran jury expert and trial consultant. well-known for developing a jury profile of the 12 people that acquitted o.j. simpson in 1995. she picked the jury and worked for the rittenhouse defense, consulted with the attorneys and gave them here feedback on the witnesses. flew back early for the verdict for safety purposes and sat with kyle s mother, wendy in the courtroom. dr. joelle len joins us for the first interview.
0 rittenhouse has to get on with his life the best he can. the attorney said i don t think he will continue to live in this area saying it s too dangerous. he s had 24/7 security since this all happened. john, great to be covering this breaking news with you. i m sandra smith. john: and i m john roberts taking off next week so have a good thanksgiving. the story with martha starts now. martha: thank you very much, john and sandra. good afternoon. i m martha maccallum. breaking right now on the story, not guilty verdicts for kyle rittenhouse as we look at the live scene outside of the courthouse in kenosha, wisconsin. a place that we have all become much more familiar with over the course of this trial and over the remembrance last summer of the violence that spilled in to the streets and what we saw take place on that august evening in 2020. so we have just heard from his attorney moments ago. we heard some of what his take-away was in terms of this case and as we just watched
laura: let s go to you, speaking of san francisco, your son went to law school in san francisco back in 2010. he s no longer here to enjoy a holiday season. your reaction and then what about we ve heard nothing from nancy pelosi. we ve heard nothing from hillary clinton. nothing from prominent democrats on this case. zero. well, i will tell you i wasn t actually shocked in the least bit. i expected this to happen. i live out here. i see what happens every day. so i wasn t shocked at the two acquittals on the murder charges. i was marginally surprised that he didn t get the involuntary manslaughter, particularly since that s what the defense was using as their claim that it was an accident. best of your recollection even with that, you know, it s san francisco. and the jury, you know, it s o.j. simpson jury.
o.j. simpson jury. we re not going to convict you no matter what. i will tell you though, you know, you mentioned nancy pelosi and you can lay it on all the democrats. it s inconceivable to me and i find it reprehensible that they are worried about daca recipients. the worst thing that would happen to any of those guys would be that they would get deported. the worst thing that s happened to steve and brian myself and so many others is they have lost a loved one. so, our position and, you know, there is an organization we started called aziak act in june we put out a position that daca should not be discussed until all the other illegal immigration issues are dealt with so, for them to talk about shutting down the government is just absolutely incredible. laura: yeah, chuck schumer threatening to shut down the government because he cares more about handling and caring and the feeding of illegal immigrants than