knowing exactly where we are going. number one, i will be out in this place more often. i will go out and talk to the public. i m going to do public forum. i m going to interface with them. i m going to make the cases of what we have already done, why it is important, and what we will do and what will happen if they support what else i want to do. number two, and bringing in more now that i have literally, like you, i m not complaining. 12, 14 hours a day, no complaints and i really mean it sincerely, but now certain big chunks have been put in place and we know the direction, also going to be out there seeking more advice of experts outside from academia to editorial writers to think tanks. and i m bringing them in just like i did early on bringing in presidents and historians to get their perspective of what we should be doing, seeking more
i m going to go out and talk to the public. i m going to do public forum. i m going to interface with them. make the case of what we ve already done, why it s important, and what we ll do, what will happen if they support what else i want to do. number two. i m bringing in more and more now that i have time, literally, like you, i m not complaining. 12, 14 hours a day. no complaints. i mean it sincerely, but now that certain big chunks have been put in place and we know the direction, i m also going to be out there seeking the advice of more experts from outside. from academia to editorial writers to think tanks and i m bringing it in. just like i did early on. presidents and historians to get their perspective on what we should be doing. seeking more input. more information. more constructive criticism about what i should and shouldn t be doing. and the third thing i m going to
turned into world war ii. there s a term they use, appeasement. nobody wants to do that again. but vladimir putin said the west is cutting a deal, or trying to cut deals, or trying to offer carrots to vladimir putin to do something he shouldn t be doing. that was a very tough speech, a fiery speech, defiant. he had come against the advice of the american officials who thought he might not be able to get back in, because in effect, by that point, vladimir putin controls the airspace. and nato could escort him to the border, but not beyond. so that was a very tough speech. it wasn t taken all that well by some of the officials. but i think everyone understood the position he s in. he had a lot of support there for it. and certainly according to our reporting from our colleagues
in this country and who have left this country who are going to be needing a lot of psychological help going forward. michael, general, thank you very much. so they fled kyiv just days before the russian invasion but they didn t flee the country. american joe rhymers and his ukrainian wife dascha went west to lviv where they re now helping refugees find places to stay and they both join me now. hello to both of you. i am so glad to see you both. joe, we ll be speaking since i understand dascha is concerned about her english but, please, if you have something to say, dascha, feel free to jump right in. this is your platform and your time to say whatever you want. so again, we are grateful you re joining us. joe, you just got married in june. thank you. after living in ukraine for four years now. did you ever imagine something like this would happen? no, and i guess that is one of the many privileges of being an american, right, is big
and so he is going to escalate. one path of escalation is he raises the nuclear alert level and we have to take that very seriously. we don t know if it has been raised tonight. we don t know what is happening with his nuclear weapons. we know the president is not going to respond in that tit for tat game but the deployment of the patriots to me is an indicator that the pressure has risen a little bit and that putin is feeling it. he can t get back at the united states for the increasingly tough sanctions so he is going to use what he has, which is the threat of weapons of mass destruction. and he did say that nations that put sanctions on that is the equivalent of war. when i heard that statement i thought, well, this is the same kind of statement as when he said ukraine isn t really a nation. it s like an authorization for your side to do something that you shouldn t be doing.