the judge considers bail for the suspect leaks case. why prosecutors say he is a flight risk. and reports of fighting in khartoum, despite new cease-fires. foreign citizens rushed to evacuate. live from cnn center, this is cnn newsroom with kim brunhuber. a former vice president compelled to testify about his direct conversations with the president he served. that s a situation mike pence found himself in on thursday before a grand jury in washington former vice president testified before a federal grand jury for more than five hours. that testimony would have been about what happened after the trump the president at the time, at a time when donald trump was pressuring him to overturn the vote. hints pence refused to do so. pence has also spoke about this conversation publicly. he s right about them in his book. the on a tour of really regularly. whenever before as an investigation, as a grand jury and have prosecutors gotten pence under oath to reveal
i think he s fooling himself, thinking he can of it both ways. because the maga base controls the nomination process. and these done to that. secure all into trump or you re not. when more if we have time i think we do. wouldn t it be great if it became a thing where brad leader sing a song that is meaningful in the host country? humanity is just what this world needs right now. how many of us now have a bug in our ear, of don mclean saying in american pie, right? whether you re in the shower driving in the car you can be doing it. one more i think we can do it. he did a better job of you did with mandy, if you know what that, is it s a reference to the fact that this morning, i saw barry manilow s, coming and i can help but break out in some, go to my social media. thanks for joining, us the news continues here on cnn.
else, they re going to have to tell republican voters why they should shun renominated all. trump last, word areva, on the special counsel probe, former chief of staff trump steve of staff mark meadows. he could be the single most important witness in all of this, barring trump himself, of course. so, could he and will he be compelled to testify, do you think? yeah, you know, it is a lot of conversation happening about whether he may be given immunity, kim brunhuber, to testify. obviously, he has lots of information. he was in contact with donald trump and he was in the white house doing some of those critical meetings as they were trying to determine what could be done to overthrow the election. we know he has lots of information, and i would not be surprised if there is not an immunity deal that is struck with mark meadows, and if he is forced to testify. again, i think the information that he has might be the linchpin, might be that critical information that connects all of th
but still in a very strong second place. and between the two of them, they are up like three quarters or more of the republican primary vote. i think all of the republican candidates face the same challenge. the evidence is very clear that most republican voters do not view all of this as disqualifying, even though there are plenty of general election swing voters who cumulative ways we are discussing of all of these legal matters. and then of the other republican candidates, including pence, have been willing to make an explicit case to republican voters about why they shouldn t renominated all trump. i think the evidence for the last six months is that that strategy is not going to work. if they want to dislodge him they are going to have to give republican voters more explicit reason to do so. all this is giving plenty of ammunition if, for nothing else be difficult for him to renew win in general election, but so far they have been kind of tiptoeing around, i think, very clea
we heard from revil morton. he s written about all this in his book. how actually forthcoming do you think pence will be about those crucial one-on-one conversations between himself and based on everything we have seen from mike pence, i don t think he is going to go out of his way to damage all trump or to deliver incriminating evidence. if anything, i think he would probably bend in the opposite direction but i also think he is someone who prides himself on his fealty to the law. and i think he will answer questions that he is asked. and so there is no predicting i mean, none of us can entirely predict whether his testimony will be helpful or harmful to trump. but i do think that he is not going to overtly mislead a grand jury. it just does not seem in character for mike pence and how he perceives his role to be. as we saw january 6th.