he seemed to dismantle one of rudy giuliani s favorite myths that he tells the trump base, that somehow there was any former justice department officials have told me that the way to call trump s bluff early on would have been to say, sure, shine a light on the fisa ly kalgs. release the whole darn thing. this is one of the most incorruptible parts of the system. having worked for director mueller irk tell you how much work and time and attention it s a pain in the neck. is that an understatement. it breaks nodding, too. if you used a different word, it would be an understatement. that said, there is a visceral reaction to releasing fisa materials. and so while i think you re right, politically that should have, would have put an end to the debate, the department of justice and fbi does not like to put that stuff out there. but i think it does answer the question conclusively. let me ask you about this idea of a subpoena fight. if robert mueller wants to subpoena the
the archdiocese itself has taken a great many measures to prevent child sexual abuse. for instance, everyone who works with children in the archdiocese has to undergo a police background check. dana: of course, this is pretty unpleasant topic to talk about. a lot of people don t want to hear it. don t want to have to deal with it from your perspective, you work for spotlight and you try shine a light on things. where do you think this story goes from here? is there a lot more work to be done from an investigative reporting standpoint? oh, sure. i think there are clergy sex abuse investigations to be done all over the world. i think where the story goes now is the vatican. we have had crisis after crisis, scandal after scandal. i am thinking particularly over chili where all the bishops have resigned. pope francis is beloved for many good reasons. when it comes to the issue of child sexual abuse in the church, he seems to have a very large blind spot. dana: mike, it s a pleasure t
i hear in her segment and some of carlson s segments is white fright, this fear of change. what so many americans see as progress, many fox fans see as loss. you might call that white anxiety or say it s straight up racism. so as we look ahead now to this rally in washington the continued concern in charlottesville about racist showing up there again on the one-year anniversary of the riot there last year, how can newsrooms responsibly cover these problems? how can we in journalism shine a light on these groups without fans the flames. let s bring back the panel and talk through that. first to you, you and i had a dialogue about this over the weekend. what is your approach? should we ignore a hate rally in washington? should we not draw attention to it? look, we can t ignore it. it s something that is reality.
spending much of our effort trying to engage with the social media technology companies because there s a very important role for them to play in terms of monitoring and policing their own platform. we are sharing with them actionable information. that wasn t happening before. roger mcnamee, he s saying that wasn t happening before. laura, who solves it? fbi gives facebook and twitter and google information. are they supposed to solve it? is it fbi supposed to solve it? who fixes this? well, this is what we call a whole of society problem. you need the government to play a role, you need the social media platform, the private sector to play a role and you need civil society, outside researchers to play a role of the and everybody here has different pieces of the puzzle that they can help put together to both shine a light to understand what s happening and to eechffectively counter it. different actors will be playing different roles. different actors will have different pieces they
and when they speak out about children, it s something that historically they ve always cared about. th mrs. trump really wanted to shine a light and focus on the most vulnerable victims about this state of confusion that we are all in on this policy. and that s the children. i think that doesn t surprise any of us that that s what she wanted to go see and hear firsthand. she also is in the position of bringing some of that information back to her husband and back to the white house. that s a very useful role. we haven t seen a traditional dynamic between her and her husband in the past year-and-a-half, especially in the events that they go to. it was notable that the president didn t go to barbara bush s nun rfuneral. only the first lady did. we saw her take a picture with the president and past first ladies. it seems from the pictures there s some sort of rapport there in the way donald trump doesn t have a rapport with his