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Transcripts for BBCNEWS The Media Show 20220212 16:48:00

carrying waterjugs may have been perceived by the us military as him carrying explosives. there s no evidence that he was connected to the islamic state. very quickly after this report came out, the us military really have to backtrack out a lot of the explanations they made for carrying out the strike. amazing the power of this open source investigation. i just want to hear more about these techniques because they are i hope our audience will find absolutely riveting. allison, tell us how you used your training as an architect to work out from satellite photos that the chinese government were building camp. as they claim they are a necessary measure against terrorism. sure.

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS The Media Show 20220212 16:55:00

journalist can t just wander around china or wander around myanmar. i think this work is at its strongest when its multidisciplinary, people that are coming at different angles. whether you re at it reporter, investigated on geospatial analyst, etc. we ultimately put together something called the berkeley protocol on to help standardise some of the terminology and understandings of how you do it. what ben was talking about, really verifying this data. giving the morality of it, given how it can be useful to you and i easily manipulated or contextualized with up i think with covid in particular, there was a recognition that it was even harder to get on the ground, not just the security considerations was obscene but certainly our shelter

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS The Media Show 20220212 16:35:00

to identify how the chinese government was building a massive infrastructure to detain muslims. allison, i mentioned how open source investigators are often amateur they re certainly not all trained journalist. and your dayjob is in fact as an architect. and here you are winning a pulitzer. yeah, i mean, i m trained as an architect and i worked in commercial practice for a number of years but, in fact, my work has been moving away from construction and building for quite some time. i would say for the past four or five years, in fact. so this sort of work is now in fact my dayjob. fantastic, and we ll hear much more about that later. but let s start with francis scarr, one of the guys at bbc monitoring in moscow. francis, i referred to the situation as the ukraine crisis that s because that s how it s headlined in the western media. is this the kind of language the russian media is using? well, if we take state tv for example, which is the most popular source of information for rus

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS The Media Show 20220212 16:41:00

and different organisations and representatives that there is a difference in occurrence of perhaps less intimidation of military build ups in comparison to what we re really seeing, which is quite heavy intimidation of these build ups. before we came on air i went down a rabbit hole on twitter looking at your stuff, what you re pointing out and other open source investigators were tracking, as you say those military convoys the geo locating videos by identifying roadsides, bends in the road and we will come on some of those techniques in a moment but ijust wonder, how do you know that what s being posted hasn t been put up deliberately to fool the likes of you? that s the dangerous game. i think the best thing to say is that as allison may have mentioned before, none of us are really qualified in this field. we enter this field without a specific degree or registration. but that s the best thing

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