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what does that say to you? for me, what i found fascinating is that bill and i spend a lot of our careers looking at business and complex shell structures. we re used to that. but what worries me right now is for everyone else looking at this case, what you ve had is a drip, drip, drip of normalzation. and you ve had this incredibly complicated saga which takes flow charts and diagrams to display what was going on. at this point, most people go we ve been hearing this for months, it s too complicated. we re just going to look ahead. and i think that is fascinating because that is how in the past many business leaders have managed to create empires and stuff which didn t always do, you know, right things. but this problem of normalization, not just inside america, but on the world stage and the eye roll that you get these days when you talk about this stuff is going to be very hard to counter. to that point, you look at the filings that we ve seen from bob mueller and his team, we h

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