engine. two wrongs don t make a right. what john was referring to was windmills in places like norway. and holland. and what is happening the wind sector took off in norway and in denmark. at the same time gerald ford and carter were pushing shell gas development. and that was viable. and that is 50 percent of what is going on in wind energy and equals the price . you net out 15 percent of the oil. are we making these companies economically profitable or if not. they should be killed off and otherwise we are padding the profits.