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it throws it more into the spotlight and is going to connect to that trump tower meeting. all of these things is a thread that goes through all of this. i think today was an important part. shepard: you said and you have said repeatedly that what mueller is doing is sending out cards. warnings to people. if you lie to us, you ll be indicted for lying to us. are there others within the trump family even who might have reason for concern regarding this matter at hand? i think if an objective observer was to look at it, yes. we know from what mr. cohen said, there s others in the trump organization that knew about the time period when the conversations were going on and were aware that a trip to russia was discussed with candidate donald trump. so if you re one of those people in the trump organization who has talked to mr. mueller or congressional hear and and you toed the line, you re having a
mentioned, the president indicated the meeting appeared to be on but he indicated he could change his mind. i probably will be meeting with president putin. we haven t terminated that meeting. i was thinking about it. we haven t. they d like to have it. i think it s a very good time to have the meeting. i m getting a full report on the plane as to what happened with respect to that, and that will determine what i m going to be doing. the president said there that he thought it was a very good time to have the meeting but politically he was under pressure to not have the meeting because of the situation in ukraine and the fact that russia was still holding ukrainian assets and personnel. just sitting down with putin at this g-20 summit could have been looked upon as not rewarding him, but turning a blind eye. all of this cohen stuff, shep, didn t help with the optics of the meeting with putin. the president decided to shelf it for now. the two leaders will have to meet again at some
for next year for 2018 they ve already said they don t know if they re going to get this money that they re owed that helps low income people pay for their out-of-pocket spending. they don t know whether the trump administration s going to enforce the individual mandate that requires most people to have insurance. those two things together cause between a 20% and 30% rate increase alone. that s just the uncertainty part. so m.j., what is the next move here, because we ve heard two i think kind of die metrically opposed things. one is let s repeal it. we don t need to have a plan. let s repeal it and kocobble together a plan. let s get democrats in the room, it will take a long time and be laborious but let s shelf it until we go back to the drawing board. which one is taking root? well, what mitch mcconnell is proposing is essentially a bill from 2015 that of course was vetoed by president obama that
at the end of the day, we ve got to figure out a way to bring down premiums. neil: all right. what we re dealing with though is sort of like the battle between winning over moderates, as you know, and that ticks off conservatives when that s done. then whatever is done to win over guys like you ticks off the moderates and you have all of these cynics saying there s no way this will happen. if it doesn t and you re confident that it will you can come to an agreement and produce an alternative to obamacare, what would you do? just move past this, shelf it and go on to tax cuts or what? i couldn t understand all that you said there, neil. say again. i barely understood it myself. in other words, you move on to tax cuts even if this fails, if it does. well, we re going to move on to tax cuts regardless. the thing with the healthcare bill is that i don t think