to lviv and then to poland and then to the rest of europe? what do you think? he won t stop. he won t stop unless we don t stop him. so that s i think that that s the lesson that we can learn from his previous activities because, also, ukraine is not the first. before ukraine, there was georgia that russia invaded in 2008. there was numerous, um, gray zones so to say which was established de facto by russia all over the place in post-soviet union space. so putin will not stop as his predecessors did not stop for i mean, the within the russian empire or ussr. so he just tried to repeat all those all those schemes of the previous existnence of moscow. how much longer can the ukrainian people put up this fight? ukraine has been fight throughout centuries i should say and dozens of years. i i m sure that we are going to win. the question is when?
russia already shares a small part of its border with nato countries. if ukraine were to join, it would increase the number of countries in the alliance, on russia s borders. anders fogh rasmussen was secretary general of nato from 2009 2014. here s his assessment. he won t stop. i mean, ukraine is the first step. if he gets away with his coercion, his aggression against ukraine, then he will continue. so that s the lesson learned from history. appeasement with dictators will never lead to peace, it will only lead to war and conflict. that s why we have to stand, strong and united. that is the only language that putin understands. things have escalated quickly this week. on monday mr putin declared that russia had recognised the independence of the so called people s republics of lu ha nsk and donetsk.
the news and worry. this is a russian name at school but the teachers say many people switch to ukrainian since the war, in protest. there is no mass flight out of here. people are not sure anywhere safe any more. some are now arming themselves for a fight they did not use. a week ago, he was working in it on a digitisation project. what do you think it is that putin wants?- is that putin wants? putin wants to is that putin wants? putin wants to take is that putin wants? putin wants to take over, - is that putin wants? putin wants to take over, to - is that putin wants? putin - wants to take over, to control others. that why speech he made was he, i m sorry, he is a devil. he won t stop. that is the fear devil. he won t stop. that is the fear here. devil. he won t stop. that is the fear here. even - devil. he won t stop. that is the fear here. even as - the fear here. even as ukrainians prepared to resist any way they can. football s governing bodies, fifa and uefa have banned
all these companies, individuals and countries try to pressure putin to stop this. he won t stop, and a lot of people at the same time say oh, yeah, coca-cola is quitting russia market, like we are going to be healthier, like they have jobs ok, blocked them in the 1990s, and blocked them in the 1980s, but i think this will be much worse than the 1990s, and worse than the 1980s, that s the problem. people now think ok, we are going to do something different instead of the loans. sandra: maria, thank you for joining us. john: thank you, maria. packing up their families and risking their lives to escape a war torn country was not enough, the millions of refugees fleeing