let s say we ll talk about november cold continuing, snow departed by this point but we re still going to discuss temperatures from 10 to 30 degrees below average for this time of year some, spots across washington to oregon, 15 degrees below average of what you kind for it. some snowy septembers in great falls montana to put it in perspective, in 1934, 13 inches, very likely we ll tai they that or shatter thied these rec. in m helena 1925, you had 14 inches. late fall chill still persisti persisting. back to you. jon: not even october, lauren thank you. well thousands of runner take part in tunnel to tower race in