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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 05:04:00

celebrations, and they learned that members who commit adultery or who divorce can be cast out, shunned. shannon and kelsey s dad, jerry, didn t share the faith, but he respected pam. though he was never a real fan of home schooling. he wanted them to go to public school, but pam wouldn t have it. she always wanted us to be this tall and be her little girls. you know, she very genuinely loved us, and we were her world. you were her reason to be. yes, oh, yeah. but finally, when it was time for high school, pam relented. i think she realized that you can t control an environment for a child forever, though. what was it like to make the transition? it was a culture shock. it was different. i was there maybe a week and my new friends are like, let s educate you on the ways of the world. i was like, oh, my gosh. which, of course, included boys. two of my girlfriends are like, there s this guy, and you need to meet him, and i think you two are really going to get

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 05:47:00

in my mind, if you re not going to tell me what happened, and you re going to dance around the issue and tell me different stories, what are you hiding? investigators wondering the same thing, tried to find answers in the evidence. on a laptop they found hits for, match. com, just days before the murder. somebody had been visiting the site at least. that would have been our suspicion. it s going to be either pam or ralph. right. and then they found ralph s real life mistress. yes, he had one. and she said they carried on for most of the time he was married to pam. but now shannon thought back to the last time she saw her mother. because i asked her if she was happy. what did she say? she realized that she had given up her family, because she had destroyed this relationship with me and kelsey, and she s gotten into this new marriage, telling me that she

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 05:34:00

that wasn t that made me sick. and angry obviously. yeah. her sister kelsey s interpretation? i thought it was very strange. i thought that he had some work to do on a story because it sounded really phony. entitled to their opinions, of course. but then so were the cops. recovered memory? no, said the cbi s jody wright. more like a cover-up. nothing in his statement matched anything that i knew to be at the crime scene. it just didn t make sense. none of it. it wasn t really that ralph changed his story in his world journal manifesto, not exactly. more like he kept adding to it. so he watches very carefully what you re doing and tailors his story to match what he thinks you re finding.

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190728:07:48:00

had destroyed this relationship with me and kelsey, and she s gotten into this new marriage, telling me that she just wasn t as happy as she should have been. lots of circumstantial evidence, almost enough. not quite. and then the antique rugs. i was searching the kitchen area and found in the washing machine two small size rugs. and the rugs were still very wet. and they were balled up to one side. but when ralph saw the rugs during a walk-through with the police, he didn t seem to recognize them. i mean, i ve never seen these rugs. the minute we heard he had never seen them, we knew the russian had importance. we just didn t know how. they sent the rugs to the lab. and months later they heard back. what did you find when you tested them? pam s blood was found on the rugs. they had caught ralph in an obvious lie. he must have put those rugs into the machine himself, hoping to wash away the evidence. finally they had enough. almost nine months after pam s death, officer

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190728:07:04:00

learned that members who commit adultery or who divorce can be cast out, shunned. shannon and kelsey s dad, jerry, didn t share the faith, but he respected pam. though he was never a real fan of home schooling. he wanted them to go to public school, but pam wouldn t have it. she always wanted us to be this tall and be her little girls. you know, she very genuinely loved us, and we were her world. you were her reason to be. yes, oh, yeah. but finally, when it was time for high school, pam relented. i think she realized that you can t control an environment for a child forever, though. what was it like to make the transition? it was a culture shock. it was different. i was there maybe a week and my new friends are like, let s educate you on the ways of the world. i was like, oh, my gosh. which, of course, included boys. two of my girlfriends are like, there s this guy, and you need to meet him, and i think you two are really going to get along. i thought, aw, great.

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