kroeldz the floor of the house with the rare exception of when the minority or anybody, really, introduces a discharge petition to put a piece of legislation on the floor. all they need is 218 signatures on the petition to get there. it doesn t happen very often. it happens even less often for big legislation like immigration reform. but when but if it s a choice between republicans in the house being saddled with blame for killing the whole process, you might see maybe not enough to get it on the floor but 10, 20 republicans break with the leadership. i ask, when has this been used on something big, mccain/feingold in 2002. you talk about the petitions were circulated. shamz me. you had the same kind of polarization in the conference at that point. vast majority of our members were against it. you had a handful of members, particularly from urban areas