about what he was doing. he said he didn t know of any investigation. if hill pins a lot on rudy juliani, what position does that leave him in? you have the president publicly saying things that distance himself from michael cohen. we re looking at footage there and we know they had lunch together. giuliani would be harder to throw under the bus than some of the others. they have a long relationship. coming from back in new york, giuliani has done things for the campaign and now for allegedly u.s. foreign policy. and giuliani is in the thick of this campaign plot. as far as we could tell that seemed to be basically true.
i want to bring you in, chris hill, iraq, south korea, and professor at the university of denver and felipe rucker. discuss with us the conduct we have learned about and is it normal for them to be involved in all of this kind of thing? first of all this is quite extraordinary with this free agent of rudy giuliani going in and out of these things. and accuse diplomats that have been at their jobs for 30 years, saying they are somehow doing george soras s bidding.
dining with donald trump junior, becoming friends with rudy giuliani, traveling to israel and name dropping rudy s name. saying they re very good friends and giving political donations. it is unclear where that money came from and that is the subject of the federal investigation right now whether or not some of that money was funneled through russia or other means and these two that were trying to get into that inner trump irkle. do these guys make it into the way of the close circle of the president of the united states. i m going to use the word normally again, but normally you have people who they put
in private is because he doesn t want the witnesses to coordinate their testimony. he doesn t want to tip off the white house as to what house democrats are learning as part of their impeachment inquiry, hallie. jeff, great work out there. keep us updated on what you re learning from inside the room. kristen welker, i want to go to you because our team is learning more about what s happening sort of in and around the west wing with some concerns about fiona hill s appearance today. reporter: that s right, aides and allies are concerned about what she is going to say. as jeff pointed out, she s going to talk about what she plans to describe as a shadow foreign policy that was being run by rudy giuliani. now, we know that the president s allies have already expressed frustrations and concerns about giuliani and his role, and even his public appearances on tv. so their concerns relate to what specifically is she going to say, how broad was it. did it cross any legal lines in her opini
reportedly fleeing detention camps. the president is standing by his decision there but in washington he has problems of his own. we are waiting for a closed door meeting that could turn the entire impeachment inquiry on it s head. and rudy giuliani s attempt to go around normal white house proceediers to create his own policy. i to begin with our name dc, hans nichols in the white house and garrett haake on capitol hill. what is the president s game plan? it is not clear. we know that he is going to be briefed by his staff later today. they had a meeting over the weekend. it gives you an indication of how serious this situation is.