countries interest beyond nazi germany. i think that is of critical point, germany. i think that is of critical point, and germany. i think that is of critical point, and i germany. i think that is of critical point, and i would agree with andrea very nruch point, and i would agree with andrea very much that this is a first step, and for very much that this is a first step, and for putin to take this kind of risk, and for putin to take this kind of risk, and and for putin to take this kind of risk, and assume these kinds of financial risk, and assume these kinds of financial moves by the west against russia, financial moves by the west against russia, that means he must have a pretty russia, that means he must have a pretty big russia, that means he must have a pretty big prize in mind. pretty big prize in mind. these are critical moments pretty big prize in mind. these are critical moments for pretty big prize in mind. these are critical moments forjoe pretty
obviously, with our lawyer, with the editor in chief of the publication. our feeling, though, was that in this case, there was a compliance case in which the top members top executives at a company claimed ignorance about a situation when, in fact, we had a lot of information some of which we did not use, we did actually withhold some of it for the sake of people involved when we felt there was any shadow of a doubt and we also ran everything by the company. to tell them what we were doing. and help me understand process in the financial times. you ve amassed all this information you and your other reporting colleagues you are sitting there in front of, i assume, the editor of the paper and your lawyers. tell me about the process that takes is from an investigation that is almost published and one which is. it s a long one, actually. so, in the first case, you know, you go along
ignorance about a situation when in fact we had a lot of information, some of which we did not use, we did actually withhold some of it for the sake of people involved when we felt there was any shadow of a doubt, and we also rent everything by the company. to tell them what we were doing. and help me understand process in the financial times. you ve amassed all this information, you and your other reporting colleagues, you are sitting there in front of i assume the editor of the paper and your lawyers also tell me about the process it takes is from an investigation that is almost published and one which is. it s a long one, actually. so, in the first case, you know, you go along throughout the process with the sources who you are most concerned about. their safety and protection. and you have to verso to discuss with them have exactly what they are telling you or giving you will appear because they have to understand the consequences of what they do.
specifically, when they are trying to pacify or forced to submit a civilian population that resists them. we saw this in syria and we are certainly seeing it in ukraine now. there s civilian air raids in ukraine that are just being leveled. most acute example right now is mariupol. but this is certainly happening in kharkiv, as well, where there s shelling and rocket fire directly on civilian areas. there s artillery fire on these places. these are not precision strikes. these are not things that can even be through any shadow of a doubt claims to be aimed at military installations or mill that targets. this is sheer violence being leveled against civilians for no purposes other than doing the most amount of damage in as short a time as possible. jack, it is truly horrific. we appreciate your reporting from that war zone. jack crosbie on the phone from lviv. thank you, and please do stay
todd: they have confidence and they are tough. last hour we spoke with us army vet who hitchhiked into the battleground to defend ukraine and what he is seeing from the russian forces. they look like they are very unmotivated and then the ukrainians these people are so strong and they are fighting for everything. not just our country or land but everything. for their history, their families, literally their lives. so no shadow of a doubt they will menace but is just a matter of time but with the support of the world donating weapons and armor and veterans from around the world joining our rates. we will be the back even faster that the people inside of russia the country will implode with the sanctions and they will be that up and take matters into their own hands