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people who are in the sort of national security establishment, they re not making these decisions based on political calls. but there are always politics that are going to affect your polices in some way. so for example, a decision was made, fairly early on, that we were not going to bring a single new detainee to guantanamo. you know, why is that would have sent the message that he was not fully committed to closing guantanamo, but that created all these other problems. so for example, you know, when they did when they were able to catch one high profile al-qaeda guy, actually he was with the shabab in somalia, they put him on a ship for 70 days, they treated him, as far as i can tell, fairly and according to the law, but that shows you the kind of contortions you have to go through because of the political environment that they have been operating in. megyn: it also calls into question whether he lived up to that promise president values. is that so different than putting them in g
to kill them than to capture them and i have to say, for the most part, these terrorists can t be captured. you can t go into pakistan, we can t put boots on the ground there and capture terrorists. we can t. it s too dangerous or the host countries are unwilling to let americans go into somalia and drones have become a very, very useful weapon. megyn: you talk about how some of these decisions, once he got into office, when it comes to terror and so on, politics has seeped in, as is probably the case for any president we re going to have from this point forward. it s both a national security issue and to some extent, a political issue, especially in an election year. but what was your overall impression in speaking with the advisers who were close to the president or once worked for the president on how much he s motivated by politics when it comes to those decisions versus, you know, pure national security interests? look, i think for the most part, whether you re a republican or a
where u.s. marines were staying. you have piracy. you have shabab in somalia just across the gulf. this could be a real problem for us. you do the math. bill: we remember the cole unfortunately. but the 12 attack is not something we recall. heather, what s next? heather: beachgoers in one state, they are sweating it out on the sand. while even sticking a toe can mean some painful consequences. bill: the trial for the italian present. th
sadly 9/11. right. and i think it all comes down to whether or not a group like aqap or shababb in somalia or whatever al qaeda or al qaeda-like faction we re talking about has access to american operatives, people that could go past u.s. borders without generating any kind of alarm. and the reality is, if we look at these groups, that s exactly the kind of constituency, exactly the kind of audience they are recruiting. shabab in somalia, the man from seattle, washington, a former drug dealer who went to somalia and became a major anything. another one from alabama, a young kid from alabama. we don t know who s in yemen. so, i mean, really, it s not so much a question of explosives. it s really a question of access to operatives. these groups can get access to enough people to get past u.s. borders, they ll do whatever they can with those resources, whether it is a small attack or a major catastrophic attack. and we have to be prepared for both possibilities. evan, thank you very m
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