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just how outrageous this sphere really was. of thank you both for joining me tonight. you guys doing okay? pleasure. yeah. yes. thank you for having me. so, mark, the conundrum for the first black president is that he can t really delve into the issue of race. that s exactly right. but part of the reason is because president obama didn t run as the first black president or the first serious black candidate as some would say. instead he ran as someone who just happened to be black. he was, as someone would say, incidentally black. race neutrality, race tran sen dense was around him. if he talks about race, he becomes the black candidate. that s the last thichk he wants. he wants to stay as far away from race as possible.