fight was that it was a peaceful protest against the united states helping out the kurds and look at how they reacted. i understand you want tough turks. kat: it is supposed to be a peaceful protest. eric: we do business differently. j.d.: washington said we have no permanent allies, no permanent adversaries. we instead have permanent interests as americans. kat: one of president obama s most controversial final acts coming to pass. chelsea manning walking free from prison 28 years early.
she served time for what she did, and i think it s absolutely good, a great thing now that she s free because the sentence was absolutely too harsh compared to the crime. absolutely. j.d.: no way. she should still be sitting in a jail cell. kat: is she a threat? j.d.: she committed treason as far as i m concerned. we are in a situation where we are so permissive. we try to talk things down when there are direct actions taken against our country national security. we better rethink where we are as a nation if we want to endure. kat: seven years in prison is no joke. eric: bradley manning was convicted of spying and theft. court-martial, got 35 years, spent seven. acquitted of the more severe charge of aiding the enemy which would have been a capital offense which would be punishable by death. still convicted and court-martialed. president obama said i m pulling the conviction.
mollie hemingway and j.d. hayworth. ready for this, chelsea manning is now officially free from prison today, being let out 28 years early. 28 years early thanks to a commutation from president obama and her supporters have raised more than $150,000 for her to reenter society. if that is the going rate for leakers, we are doomed. j.d. j.d.: you know what gets me, the funding issue is the side thing. what is astounding is that this person is still, can take army funds. sergeant manning is fortunate you had a president obama instead of a president eisenhower. had eisenhower been president, this person would have taken a ride on old sparky. what this person did was treason. it s horrific. it s horrible. to see this person waltzed out with this huge bit of change no
wear the uniform for? i ve got to tell you, this justify the means situation in the case of sergeant manning is very troubling. eric: a lot of people think spying is tantamount to murder. kat: there s not a single example of anyone losing their lives because of what chelsea manning did. it s been investigated extensively. eboni: if there was an example, would it change the analysis for you? we can t say what you do actively should be quantitated around the results. kat: people do say that there s no evidence. eric: threatening to boycott avc for canceling tim allen s show. tim allen speaking out. don t go away.
eboni: the legal implications are huge. i think kat and what j.d. are going back-and-forth forth with our legitimate things. this is the big question when it comes to leaks. do the ends justify the means? i think that is ultimately the question we have to look within ourselves to find out. in this case, she escaped the capital offense but was convicted of heavier charges. not to be a stickler but it s under appeal, as kat points out. ultimately she may not be allowed to get those benefits. i think we have to see how the appeal process goes. does that justify the way she went about it? eric:sident decides who sentences he s going to commute for what reason for your thoughts on why president obama may have commuted chelsea