order. michael steele is the forme chairman of the republican national committee, davi pepper is the former chairma of the ohio democratic party and the author of laboratories of autocracy, behind the lines, both join me now. i gotta ask you, michael what s your looking, and wha you re smiling about a week ago, nobody in this country knew who justin jone was. they did not. and thanks to these ignorant republicans in this legislature, we all do. and we stand with them and we ll look forward t continuing this conversation what struck me in the clip, an forgive me for sort of chuckling on the way into ou conversation, was the shee contempt on the speakers face. when he said, power to the people the sheer contempt when he put the gavel down you are out of order you know, that drippin condescension in the sense tha i picked up from him, that all of this means nothing. all of this means nothing. the fact that they re even threatening to withhold fundin to pierson s district if the re-a
territorial dispute betwee ukraine and russia is not on of them. those comments from him have already started to dra criticism today from republicans on the capitol hill. it s not a territoria dispute in the sense tha anymore you would be a territorial dispute, maybe i canada, or taking over the bahamas. just because somebody clai something doesn t mean that it belongs to them. that s not a thing do you agree with him whe he says that defending ukraine is not a national security interest for the united states i would not agree with hi on that. he s one of the individuals that have an interest in working as an ex president o the united states. he really needs to get befor any think that they decide t make up their minds on thi particular issue i think that is a misunderstanding of th situation. this is not a territoria conflict it s a war of aggression he s been a great governor, bu in my opinion, if you don t ge ukraine right, this is going t
gain an inch, he s apt to take a mile basically, if america won give him any pushback, i think they will continue to expand russian influence. if we had a policy which wa firm, that armed ukraine wit defensive and offensive weapon so that they can defen themselves, i think putin woul make different if he had reagan-esque policy of strength, i think you would see people like putin not wanting to mess with us. that was then, but now in his latest attempt to out-trum trump, he s come out against supporting ukraine and the war against putin s invasion in response to a surve question from fox news hos tucker carlson, ron desantis wrote that while they have man national interests, becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute betwee ukraine and russia is not on of them. those comments from him have already started to dra criticism today from republicans on the capitol hill it s not a territoria dispute in the sense tha anymore you would be a
people were struck by readin the tax in the dominion suit the level of disdain that some of these fox news host have fo their viewers, the sense tha they are not smart enough to follow along with the facts, that they don t want the facts i wonder the extent to which that is the outgrowth of a autocratic lead or and the extent to which it the bolsters an autocratic leader? you zoomed in on one of the saddest things about authoritarianism is that these demagogue slick trump, the have people who adored them, who worship them he s their idol and yet, secretly, often it leaks out that they disguise their followers. that s why they still from them, like putin does and trump wa trying to fleeced until th very end, until the last fun raising thing for a no
there is no reason for him t testify. it would be like in th murdaugh trial, for the murder case where he testified an hurt him significantly b testifying admitting that he is a liar, a crook, but i did not kill them did not help him, and i don think that donald trump coul help himself in the grand jury any lawyer would advise him no to go into that grand jury what are the things that was struck by, i think a lot o people were struck by readin the tax in the dominion suit the level of disdain that some of these fox news host have fo their viewers, the sense tha they are not smart enough to follow along with the facts, that they don t want the facts i wonder the extent to which that is the outgrowth of a autocratic lead or and the extent to which it the bolsters an autocratic leader? you zoomed in on one of the saddest things about authoritarianism is that these demagogue slick trump, the have people who adored them,