does that surprise you? i think he is being cautious, very cautious on that. who can blame him? if he can do this right, he can hold murkowski back from an open break. if she breaks openly, it s going to put a lot of pressure on the other senators. rick santorum, he and i can disagree on a lot of things. but i do think tom daschle handled it right back in the clinton impeachment. he was not disloyal to the white house, but he stuck by the idea this was an impartial trial. and at the end of it, at the end of the trial, it was 100-0 among the senators to conduct that trial in a way that pleased both sides. and at the end of the trial, there was a standing ovation from the senators for daschle and for trent lott, the republican leader that they had conducted something that was seen as fair. and that s what i think people are hoping will come out of this
and beyond that, in the senate, you have to you can change the rules with four votes, but to actually impeach the president, you need 67. and so there is a big, big difference. the rules can be changed much more easily. and the murkowski comments opened the question are there republicans who will think that in order to be impartial, you have to have a level playing field, and that means that if you re going to have what they consider a fair trial those are code words for witnesses and documents. are those republicans willing to go that far? we don t know yet, but the murkowski comments have got attention, but they all need to jump in the pool together. senator santorum, the other thing that stood out is she said republicans need to step back from being, quote, hand in glove with the defense. do you think she has a point there? well, yes, and no. if you go back to 1998/ 99, tom daschle was hand in glove with
we re just bringing you this beautiful shot. we just noticed this from the top of our building. this is looking south down manhattan. you can see 1 world trade center there appearing up above the clouds but the rest of lower manhattan seems to be shrouded in clouds this morning the day after christmas. there we go. no break yet in the stalemate over the senate impeachment trial. who s going to win this one? joining us now is rick santorum and hilary rosen. great to see both of you. merry christmas to both of you. senator santorum, do you think that leader mitch mcconnell should allow witnesses? i think they should go through the process they went through last time. i think it s a reasonable thing. i was part of the negotiation that arrived at the 1999 decision on proceedings.
shouldn t necessarily be removed from office. the key issue for democrats i think is to make sure that what we re doing to get the facts out doesn t drag this trial too far into next year. i think actually both parties agree that having some resolution of this before going into an election and running on how donald trump has failed americans on health care. how minimum wage is stagnant. how, you know, prescription drug legislation hasn t made any progress. those are better issues for democrats. that s what people want to be talking about next spring and fall. all right. hilary rosen, rick santorum, thank you both. merry christmas to all. boeing s latest strategy to boost its image after the 737 max crisis, what they re asking pilots to do to help get the public back on your side. it s time for the lowest prices of the season on
maximum leverage in court. there is an ongoing impeachment. at some point the courts will have to rule. they can now preface, why don t they go to the courts? senator santorum was saying, go to the courts. not a bad point. now she can go to the courts without delaying impeachment. the best of both worlds. coming up next, the president s reaction. his attack on a grieving widow and her dead husband. the longest serving member of congress. also the lawmakers on voted to impeach one of the lawmakers who voted to impeach talks about her decision. with advil, you have power over pain, so the whole world looks different. the unbeatable strength of advil. what pain? how did you find great-grandma s recipe?