where he is now seeking to asylum and he spoke with anderson cooper about what he experienced on the battlefield. translator: we weren t receiving any tactical plans. we just got a command to capture the position of the enemy and by ourselves had to come up with a step by step plan of how to fulfill it. it was our problem to ensure that command is fulfilled. you have said in the past that you saw wagner troops getting executed for disobeying orders. is that accurate? translator: such cases happen very often there. there is a question of how to persuade new recruits who arrive at the frontlines and saw what is going on there and decided they don t want to fight to still go ahead and fight. they would round up those who did not want to fight and shoot them in front of the newcomers to develop their self preservation instinct. why did you decide to leave the wagner group?
fighting. there is a question of how to persuade new recruits who arrived at the front lines and decided what is going on there and decided they don t want to fight to go ahead and fight. they would wind up those who did not want to fight and shoot them in front of the newcomers to develop their self-preservation instinct. reporter: now, if that is your methodology for motivating soldiers you are really on the back foot here. there is the sense of the wagner boogieman. there s a sense in russia that the mercenary organization might pose a threat to the military establishment within the kremlin. but the alternative argument is that the military establishment are using these men as cannon fodder in order to make very small, incremental gains around not very significant strategic targets at enormous cost, possibly a cost that can be hidden from the russian public but not indefinitely.
then, we know there is these kind of like, i don t have anything to do with it cowards, right? which is kind of what ivanka and jarred looked like, and if your mother of the campaign role of lawyers, but what they do know is, this is dangerous, and probably bad for a purely cia reason i m not gonna touch it. if it works, i m not gonna look like i was working against it. but if it doesn t work, i don t get butler something, meadows as the only one that in any of those three categories as established yet. it s just unclear where he is at. i think he is pro coup, but he is clearly the way station for all these different voices. he doesn t seem to be articulating the basic kind of self preservation instinct that many other people, like cipollone, like you can t do this. it s just this bizarre cipher, and i just don t but we got more it was delivered with stunning clarity in one of the last lines of the hearing, which is, mark meadows, knows
kind of like, i don t have anything to do with it cowards, right? which is kind of what ivanka and jarred looked like, and if your mother of the campaign role of lawyers, but what they do know is, this is dangerous, and probably bad for a purely cia reason i m not gonna touch it. if it works, i m not gonna look like i was working against it. but if it doesn t work, i don t get butler something, meadows as the only one that in any of those three categories as established yet. it s just unclear where he is at. i think he is pro coup, but he is clearly the way station for all these different voices. he doesn t seem to be articulating the basic kind of self preservation instinct that many other people, like cipollone, like you can t do this. it s just this bizarre cipher, and i just don t but we got more it was delivered with stunning clarity in one of the last lines of the hearing, which is, mark meadows, knows
think it goes back to your earlier question that whether putin was material in the 2016 elections, donald trump seems to think that putin was material in the elections, and he s looking he s stretching out his hand asking for help. i m going to be on your side, vladimir putin. i want you to help me in 2024. and i think that he thinks that he can get some help. he s an opportunist looking for aid from a like-minded individual, and that s one of the reasons it seems that he s not willing to be critical. i think that has to in a lot of ways explain why the the self-preservation instinct depressed, why the efforts to make the right decision, high thinks those will be less important in the long run than having the aid of vladimir putin potentially going into 2024. colonel, donald trump says that putin didn t do this while i was there. people on this show have said