newly revealed call between gordon sondland and president trump. the call took place at a restaurant in kiev in july. sondland saying that zelensky would do anything that president trump asked. joining us now to discuss their insights, elena plott, and michael zelden. thanks to all of you. i want to get to a key exchange between president trump and gordon sondland. this gets, in my view, to the root of what the whole ukraine information about. this is david holmes speaking. i asked if the president did not
the old days when we were smart, right with spies and treason. we used to handle them a little differently than we do now. calling possible witnesses spies who should be put to death for treason. he was speaking to career foreign service officers at u.s. mission to the united nations, not ordinarily a venue for possible witness intimidation, but it was that kind of day. the president s lawyer rudy giuliani also named in the complaint is lashing out as well, telling the atlantic s selena plott, and i m quoting here, it is impossible that the whistle-blower is a hero and i m not. and i will be the hero. these morons. when this is over, he will be the hero. have you ever heard someone who is actually a hero call themselves a hero? that s not what real heroes say. anyway, right now giuliani is merely the one who was skulking about trying to get ukrainian officials to make trouble for president s leading political rival under the guys of really being concerned about corruption in ukraine.
of justice. just the very fact they tried to hide the transcript of the phone call in a, in a database where they require code words normally, you know, so that no one, or fewer people would see it shows you that they knew that this was very problematic, an abuse of power, and we have to get to the bottom of this and that s what the impeachment inquiry will hopefully have us do. there are multiple white house officials mentioned in this complaint. yes. also, of course, the president s personal attorney rudy giuliani. so giuliani, congresswoman, jut did an interview with the atlantic shouting to journalist elena plott on the other end of the phone. what he said to her. i quote, it is impossible that the whistle-blower is a hero and i m not. i will be the hero. these morons when this is over, i will be the hero, and then goes on, i m not acting as a lawyer but acting as someone
that, say, tie among those younger voters in the african-american community becomes a lead for another candidate, that would be far more concerning. and it s going to be interesting how this develops. we know that joe biden has a large lead because he was the vice president to the first african-american president. but let s see what happens as some of these candidates become better known. whether biden is able to hold on to that advantage. harry enten, elaina plott. police may have foiled as many as three possible mass sho shootings in the past three days. how one suspect s girlfriend tipped off authorities. you re live in the cnn newsroom. don t any anywhere. when i was diagnosed with breast cancer,
to fall on china. but, ana, it s not surprising this is something that would really concern president trump. the economy is a central issue in a campaign. 2020 is coming up. especially here when we have president trump who has made it the central focus of his campaign. it s always big when there s a presidential incumbent. he s relied on it there. and i want to mention one other thing. president trump can be a polarizing figure. i ve talked to voters across the country, many of whom tell me that while they might not like president trump, they like what he s doing with the economy. so that s potential lost votes if the economy does, in fact, tank. and the polls back that up. it s the one issue in which the president is not under water twhen com when it comes to approval of what he s doing. kristen holmes, thank you. let me bring in harry enton and elena plott, a correspondent with the atlantic. thank you both for being here. when we talk about the economy, harry, i ll turn to you fi