surprising from him on a night last week when he was given a major platform on a different news network he said he would pardon, quote, a large portion of the insurrectionists. pardon the people who stormed the capitol. defaced our citadel of democracy, brutally attacked members of law enforcement and called for the killing of elected officials, including his then-number two, mike pence. that same event former president trump now twice impeached once indicted and liable for sexual abuse said that pence, his vp, did something wrong on january 6th, that pence shav sent the votes back to state legislature. now, thanks to the work of the 1/6 select committee trump knew pence didn t have the authority to to that. jump s lawyer told him so days before the capitol insurrection. trump s remark sure to be of interest to special counsel jack smith who is criminally investigating the ex-president for his efforts to overthrow the
moss brought, indicates that willis is looking at ray smith, an attorney for trump, as somebody who has relevant information and potentially has his own criminal culpability. so i know this can get confusing for people, because we re talking about intersections of civil cases and criminal cases, and people who have fifth amendment rights or seek to assert their fifth amendment rights, which we normally associate with a criminal case, because that s where the right of self-incrimination rises. but asserting those rights even in a civil case because of their concerns about their own criminal culpability. i want to i think that intersectionality is important and sometimes information is coughed up through a civil process that may or may not end up being relevant through a slightly more opaque criminal process. let me read you some of what judge howell says in her opinion where she rejects rudy s motion to dismiss this defamation case