so it seems only a matter of time until the state pressed it into service to locate its enemies. joining me now is bruce snyder, security expert, author, and also the chief security technologist for bt group a security provider. and colleen taylor, a reporter for tech crunch and tech crunch tv. i want to start on this point, i talked to gren greenwald around the beginning, because i think because of what s surprising about these revelations and was true about the warrantless wiretapping und cert bush administration is the nexus of private industry and the government. this idea of direct access to servers, colleen, silicon valley, the companies named in that, have pushed back quite hard, although in very measured language. what is your understanding right now of what we know about who s telling the truth and what approach these big entities like google, facebook, apple and others are taking in responding to this? yeah. i think that all of these companies, facebook, google, and