elites don t buy it is because they have the dream of those institutions.e you go out to the places i went to and you see it s not just that incomes are lower, it s at the community institutions that tie us together that we rely on aren t there. any turning this around isn t going to be cutting a welfare check or a government program, it s going to be finding a way to restore civic life out theret and parts that are suffering. tucker: it was sustained in so many places by religious institutions, the country has become radically more secular our leaders to celebrate that because they are radicallyme secular. isha that part of what happened? that s the core of it. the secularization of america is tolerable for the elites. when they turn away from church, they turn to some traveling sports team or they have in the suburbs overly strong public school with involved parents, they are doing things right but
institutions. when trump says the american dream is dead the reason why the elites don t buy it is because they have the dream of those institutions. you go out to the places i went to and you see it s not just that incomes are lower, it s at the community institutions that tie us together that we rely on aren t there. any turning this around isn t going to be cutting a welfare check or a government program, it s going to be finding a way to restore civic life out there and parts that are suffering. tucker: it was sustained in so many places by religious institutions, the country has become radically more secular our leaders to celebrate that because they are radically secular. is that part of what happened? that s the core of it. the secularization of america is tolerable for the elites. when they turn away from church, they turn to some traveling sports team or they have in the suburbs overly strong public school with involved parents, they are doing things right but
machine that this had been battles fought over a very long period of time and a lot of blood has been has been shed and much of a beef you know that you have in this referendum in ireland where it should suggest a majority is in favor of abolishing this about for me you will which i do think it will be willing mean it seems that this follows the trend of arlon becoming more secularized than a summit or this last twenty years there was church has really a hemorrhage of of people at the pews at the very same times very curious that as arlin moves in their region of secularization we have a major european jewry to go buddy moving in the direction of preserving the principle of blasphemy nostra so i think that these two things are quite hard to actually you know put into on the same plate one must say that given what was said in these in these in this sentence in the european court it s very likely that blasphemy laws and blasphemy proceedings with stay with us for a long time to come ok m
islam which has actually very strong positions as to what constituted respect and like with respect and what sort of the political force of that is so i think that these are only elements that are people are trying to balance those question in ireland it s actually discussion that he s quite elated how do you think that the referendum today will end up is this now the beginning of the end for this blasphemy law. you know what the polls are showing that the century yes removing this provision from the constitution is the one that he s head and in fact that would follow the trend of irish secularization of the last twenty years but then even if this is the case i think the question about blasphemy in the public sphere and as to whether europe us hall will take the position that we re not allowed to say things that insult people it s really just sensibilities it s very much with us and it s very much here to state i want to talk a little bit more about it and i think that you alluded to w
crime by bishops and other senior officials. and so, i would say that if pope francis does not deliver that, the disappointment here is going to be deep and it s going to be real, victor and christi. it s interesting, because it was 1979 when pope john paul ii made the last trip there. and at that point, divorce, homosexual acts, and abortion were all illegal. help me understand the atmosphere in which this pope is entering in ireland there. reporter: well, i mean, ireland, as you say, is a vastly different country than the one that welcomed john paul ii in 1979. you have seen a fairly rapid process of secularization here. mass attendance rates are down for the catholic church. vocations to the catholic priesthood are down. nevertheless, the church does remain an enormously important social institution here. and you know, i mean, pope