With more than a dozen of his closest allies. That is according to some news accounts. An it this come though thafternoon. The grand jury had heard from half of ten witnesses expected to testify in this case at this stage. Among those witnesses, former Georgia State representative bee wen. Present for the 2020 hearing where Rudy Giuliani pedalled false election claims an urged legislators to appoint a slate of fake trump electors. Two other witnesses who were expected to testify tomorrow have been called in as well. They include journalist george chidi, who stumbled upon a december 14th, 2020 meeting of Fake Electors, as well as Former Georgia Lieutenant Governor jeff duncan, hes a republican who has been openly critical of trumps baseless claims of fraud in the state of georgia. Signs a potential end game in fani williss Criminal Investigation into the expresident and his allies is where we begin today with our favorite reporters and friends. Former Top Justice Department official, ou
legally possible for him to do that, that you couldn t give this kind of permission. but remember, you have to if you were a prosecutor, you re thinking about what will the defense try to come up with, and how do you defeat that and that is the thing that i m very focused on, is how do they deal with that issue. agree with you, nicolle, that time line, you know, it doesn t defeat the whole case in any way. but it is an issue with respect to just a charge that has to do with breaching those particular election machines which is a separate potential charge. you do wan to make sure that they knew that that permission was not actually valid. harry, there is always a part in any trump story where you think if someone wrote this in a movie, it would get sent back to the writers room for being too dumb or too implausible. but this coffee county voting machine makes it to the oval office. and let me read you the draft
did giuliani at any point say that he had another plan or a different plan to get access to machines? and he was going to do it voluntarily in georgia? answer, now ma you mention it. yes, i think that is correct. this sounds like people were a part of it and could be devastated threat to the case. absolutely. and i think one thing that is useful when you re reading that out, is to think about one of donald trump s defense de jure, which is discussion in aid of a crime. and that makes it not protected by the first amendment. so, you don t know if it was a break-in and collusive
data. it was all part of what the post described as a quote, secretive multi-state effort to access voting equipment that was broader and more organized and more successful than previously reported and one that was discussed in the oval office. cnn reporting, quote, coffee county was specifically cited in draft executive orders for seizing vote machines and presented to donald trump on december 18th, 2020, during a chaotic oval office meeting. during same meeting, giuliani alluded to a plan to gain, quote volunteer access to machines in georgia. according to testimony from him and others before the house january 6 select committee. we re back with harry and andrew. i think glenn kirshner is coming in a few minutes as well. but this makes me think of chris krebs being fired. this makes me think of all of the efforts that we learned about through the congressional
probe, what trump wanted done in the oval office, the operatives that he gathered when his own lawyers refused to do some of this. this sounds like a devastating piece of evidence and i guess my question for you, andrew, is do you think that this is part of a federal criminal case against trump and the state criminal case against trump? we don t know yet. it could be that the state is ahead on this. because of the evidence that they ve obtained from coffee county itself. and we ll see, but let s be clear, if there is that evidence, it doesn t mean that it can t be used by jack smith because, remember, what happened in that oval office meeting on december 18th is part of his case. so, he could bring this in even if there is not a factual allegation in the indictment