i think the bigger issue for me is whether or not we should start replacing the mig 29s, they will give the ukrainians, replace them with f16s so they can put more aircraft into ukraine. secretary cohen, general heart link, a pleasure to speak to both of you, thank you so much. now, as if to really under score the stakes at play here, a 360 exclusive, new reporting that reveals the existence of a russian intelligence play book for undermining the government of another pro western country in eastern europe and bringing it back into moscow s sphere of influence, more from nick robinson. reporter: this is one face of russia s hybrid war to destabilize ukraine s tiny neighbor, maldover , an organize pro russian protest, by a parent
the russian military conducts operations. you talk to air force pilot they will tell it was bad move, i hired someone saying the film surprises a lot of americans it s like top gun, it s nowhere close to being top gun for an aircraft to come in underneath a drone an aircraft probably flying at about 650 miles an hour to a drone flying about 250 miles an hour and try and dump fuel from underneath and strike a blade of propeller that s on the back of the drone? i mean, it just really reconfirms to me how incompetent the russian military is. secretary cohen you ve heard cnn s reporting there, senior officials at the russian ministry of defense according to our reporting gave the record for the fighter jet to harass the u.s. drone over the black sea, but there s no indication that the kremlin itself, the vladimir putin knew about it. does that seem plausible to you and is that distinction important? it s not even relevant to
propeller that s on the back of the drone, i mean, it just really confirms to me how incompetent the russian military is. so secretary cohen, you heard cnn s reporting there. senior officials at the russian ministry of defense, according to our reporting, gave the order for this fighter jet to harass the u. s. drone over the black sea. but there is no indication that the kremlin itself, if vladimir putin knew about it. does that seem plausible to you? and is that distinction important? it s not even relevant to me. we keep asking, what did putin know? did he know that his forces were targeting civilian apartment buildings, maternity wards, children s playgrounds? did he know? it is irrelevant because he is responsible for as the commander and chief to know. so, the notion that he may not have approved this, to me, is not important, a permanent issue. what we know is that the highest levels, what we think we know is at the highest levels of the military, have ordered this, them to b
of fiber glass or small bits of the drone. in your opinion, does this material hold any kind of value to the russians? well, according to the pentagon, most of that information, or all of, it even, was deleted and stripped from the reaper. so, would they be able to reconstruct the capabilities of the report? i don t think that that is crucial. the russians are not totally without, you know, engineers and specialists, in terms of conducting or constructing these types of things. i don t think that s a big issue, as far as we know. i think the bigger issue for me is whether or not we should start replacing the mig 20 nines. the polls are now going to give the ukrainians, replace him with the f-16s, so that they can put more aircraft into ukraine. secretary cohen, general hertling, always a pleasure to speak to both of. you thank you both so much. thanks,. now, as if to really underscore the stakes at play here, a three 60 exclusive. new reporting that repeals the existence of a r
out of putin s mouth or out of moscow is not really taken seriously. russia has never followed their promises. if you follow the social media and responses and the discussions we have here in ukraine, it s many ridiculed there was nothing interesting. it was very boring. nothing new no new sentences that we have not heard before. all of that is very known. some even call it a kkk speech for the number of comments that putin is known to be making. and what else, what is new that he could have said in the speech? russia is losing. they are definitely knowing that. he shouldn t focus even on discussing this. what we should focus on is what secretary cohen was saying before that, is that all the